First Day @Range... OFF Target

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  1. Sam16

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    Today was my first day of shooting with my brand new C9. I started shooting 7-8 yards away but did not quite hit the x on target (most of shots were more towards the southwest of it ). I was however yet on the black circle spot ( posted it ) . I thought it's C9 accuracy issue but I saw some YouTube videos....man It's accurate. I don't know what is my problem.. Any ideas ?
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  2. histed

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    To elaborate on the Trashcan's gentle post - watch your trigger control. Are you right handed? If so, you're jerking the trigger AND pushing forward in anticipation of the recoil. Been there myself - more than once. Two things that will help. First, in a safe place with a safe backstop and NO LIVE AMMO in the room, practice dry firing. Concentrate on keeping the pistol perfectly still and moving nothing but your trigger finger. The front sight should not move when the trigger breaks. After about 1000 repetitions of this (no, I'm not joking), go back to the range. Best way is go with a friend and take snapcaps. Load you mags with snapcaps and put one live round randomly in the mag. Move to two live rounds, then, when you shots are all hitting in or near the bull, load the full mag and concentrate on the front sight. Nothing moves but your finger, Stick a snapcap randomly in the mag to see if you're still pushing the gun. It takes time, concentration and LOADS of trigger time, but you'll get there
     
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  3. Bill whitney

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    Are you wearing ear protection? That always makes a huge difference for me.
     
  4. FlashBang

    FlashBang I Stand With Talon Lifetime Supporter

    If your aim is to compete and to shoot the X out of targets then that is an issue. If your intent is to use your firearm for protection against ne'er do wells, then there is nothing wrong with that grouping. I personally have never had to defend myself against a rampaging X so I don't worry about putting every round in it. I do however have real world experience and can attest that a grouping such as yours will do what is needed. A good target for training to use your weapon for SD is the QIT-03 style.

    https://www.amazon.com/QIT-03-Qualification-Target-modified-center/dp/B074R9ZBSM?th=1

    Something to keep in mind is that there are two ways to stop an aggressor, 1 is via a CNS hit and 2 is via maximum blood loss. 1 is easiest with a rifle where you have time to glass your target to accurately place the round. 2 is achieved by putting rounds into the opponent in either multiple vital organs or in areas where the ballistic expenditure of energy will rupture the organs causing blood loss. If you look at a QIT-03 target that is the entirety of the area that is indicated in center of mass.

    Just my .02
     
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  5. greg_r

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    Maybe you should just lower your rear sight a little......
     
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  6. Sam16

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    Thank you histed. I didn't know what jerking trigger is or shot anticipation..now I know . Thank you
     
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  7. Sam16

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    Thanks
     
  8. Sam16

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    Right. Shooting rage I was at...was so busy and my ead plugs are basic stuff. I will get better ones next time. Might help.
     
  9. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    Forget those silly plugs. I love my electronic ear muffs. They were cheap and really work good.

    I have non-electronic Winchesters I got at Walmart and used them for years. $20 or so. They used to sell 2 types. One cut out more db's. They are still in my bag along with spare batteries for these.

    [​IMG] I got mine for $32 or so from a gunstore. The sellers are gouging on the prices now https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leigh...rds=electronic+earmuffs&qid=1611544817&sr=8-5
     
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  10. ajole

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    Forget those silly electronic muffs. They never have batteries when you want them.

    Actually, for planned range trips, they’re great.

    But I have 3 pair of the cheap corded silicon flange type plugs in cases in my truck (drivers door pocket, the pocket behind the drivers seat, and in the center console) and most of my rifle cases have the military style case on them. I HAVE the electronic muffs....I just never bother with them.
     
  11. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    Yeah right. AAA batteries are so hard to find.................. :lol: Maybe you oldtimers disease makes you forget to turn them off?
     
  12. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    I have two sets of E-muffs, and a dozen of the green, corded, tri-baffle, silicon plugs. The E-muffs are great. I have a cheap set of Allen's my kids bought me for my birthday one year, and I have a set of Peltor's I got as a retirement gift from the squad. The Peltor's are the high-speed, low-drags with Bluetooth, noise canceling, fancy memory foam padding, Dolby 7.1, built-in PTT mic, fabric top strap so it will fit under a helmet, wired ports for hard connections to radios, virtually all the bells and whistles.

    They were my best friend standing on the pump panel. I could walk all around the engine, do work, run the pump, hear everyone around me awesome, not get drowned out by the pump when I was talking, fantastic clarity with the radio.

    I hate them, with a passion, when it comes to shooting. Give me my green silicon ear plugs all day long.
     
  13. Sam16

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    Thank you all guys. Appreciate it
     
  14. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    It might be you. Or it might be that the sights need adjusted. Have someone else shoot it. If it still hits low right, it's probably the sights. If the other person runs the bull, then you know you need to work on your trigger press a little bit.

    If there's no one around who you believe to be an excellent shot to have them shoot, try running it from a Bench Rest shooting position. When done correctly, it nearly eliminates human issues in shooting.

    I'm too cheap to buy shooting bags so I made a bunch of bean bags using, literally, dried beans and pants legs from worn out blue-jeans.

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
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  15. Sam16

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    Great idea. Thanks Kirk
     
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  16. histed

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    Sam, if you wanna got the electronic ear muff rout AND you have a harbor freight store in your AO, give their's a shot. I have two pair I use for shooting, range instruction, mowing lawn, running power tools..... I love 'em and they're quite cheap. I know why Rach prefers plugs to the muffs - he ain't wrong, but it's different strokes for different folks. Personally, I hate the flanged military plugs he and Ajole use, can't keep them seated. Whatever works best for you
     
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  17. Sam16

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    Thanks histed. I am gonna vist them today to see what they have.
     
  18. Rachgier

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    The key is to only wear one...
     
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  19. histed

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    Well, since I'm 90% deaf in my right ear, that might work