[godlessdustin]

Okay heres a little food for thought. For all of you guys out there that are so strong on an unregulated free market and also so strong on the government not giving money to poor people that need it. What happens when you get laid off from the only employer in your town, you have several kids, and your wife just developed a debilitating mental illness, are you not going to stand in line for unemployment? Are you not going to use government assistance like food stamps? Will you le your children starve because you dont believe in taxes and government giving other peoples money away? I hardly believe any of you wouldnt take what you could get from the government.
The scenario I mentioned above is exactly what happend to my father in 2001 when I was 14, He worked at a lime stone mine just outside of town, his entire crew got laid off out of the blue one day because they had been there too long and made too much money, there were no other jobs in town, he worked hard for us everyday of his life until they wouldnt let him. The the next month my mother was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrina with early symptoms of alzheimer's disease. She could not work a job. plain and simple. Without my fathers unemployment benefits and my mother recieving disability, my family would have starved, and we would have lost our property and house that took us oh so many years to build. I guess until you are put into a position where you do need help because a free market capitolist society alowed a giant corperation to be so damn greedy, you are gonna keep running your mouth about taxes and welfare.

 

[godlessdustin]

Oddly enough everyone is on the same page this time, I always knew I could bring people together. 8)

 

[godlessdustin]

When that situation happens you shouldn't go to the government for help. You go to family and close personal friends, if they can't help you turn to you church or community for help. If the government didn't take a third of my income to pay for social services I would have even more to give to charity to help out people in those exact situations. "We the People" is the solution to so many problems in this country. Every time something goes wrong we shouldn't turn to the government to fix it. The government is the problem not the solution.

That sir just strait stooooopid, close friends, family, churches, and community are not obligated in any way to help you out in the hard times, there has to be systems in place to ensure that people can survive. "we the people" are greedy as f*ck, and there are a shat load of us that wont give a dime to charity.

 

[godlessdustin]

Ouch Dustin,
Not to sound mean, but here it goes:
Here is a short list of folks who help families out on a daily basis, and do it out of humility:

The Masons - That's right, your local Masonic lodge will help just about anyone... and they don't take out a 2 page ad in the newspaper to brag about it either. This is little-known to those who don't know any1 who is a Mason.

The Shriners - You must be a Mason before you can go to the Shrine. The Shriner's have their own hospitals, and are very quick to help those without insurance to get medicated/operated. They are especially generous to children and young adults. (I always buy those almond bars they sell at the store, and give them to the next kid I see coming into the store.)

The Church - Churches love to help people in their community, but be aware that this is only a short-time deal, as the
church has bills to pay just like you and me. A Church will normally help with rent/mortgage, food, power, and water. Do not think that you will be issued a debit card and get to spend how you see fit.

Soup Kitchens - It isn't the best food in the world, but if you and your family are hungry, you will eat. Do not feel ashamed for eating at a soup kitchen, the construction workers who are being "cheap" and eating at the soup kitchen are the ones who should be ashamed of themselves.

The Neighbors - If you live in a tight-knit community, you may be able to receive a little help from those around you. You may be able to "earn" money from them instead of asking for "help". Cutting grass, raking leaves, washing cars, cleaning gutters, painting things, or walking dogs all come to mind that can be done in a neighborhood situation.

tThe thing is some people live in rural areas and you can rule out every single one of those organisations, save the churches, but like you said, they have their own bills to pay. I agree that the system needs to be reformed because I just like everyone else is sick of people abusing it but the system has to be there. On another note, I dont know if churches and other organisations help people out that wont conform to their ideals, i.e. if someone is an atheist and everybody and their brother knows it will a church help them out?