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The TL / DR: I "fixed" a sight and mount, then showed a newbie to the AR world how to clean his rifle.

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My buddy is new to the AR world and needed some guidance on a Vortex RDS and 45° offset mounted in front of a Burris with PEPR mount. Well we have a mutual friend who thinks he's an expert that mounted the setup for him but couldn't get it sighted in and then just insisted Vortex was trash, his RDS was trash, the 45° mount was trash, and his whole rifle was trash and illegal because he had a short barrel but had the muzzle device pinned to make it 16.25". He couldn't get the POA/POI to center up from 10 o'clock, and ran out of adjustment range.

So it ended up on my bar and my friend got the USMC guide to cleaning an AR type rifle, and then I checked the mount and sight for level after leveling the barrel. My circle level showed over 1° out each in BOTH forward pitch and port yaw. (3° total) So I pulled the mount, with sight still attached. As soon as I did I noticed two bright, shiny, evenly spaced marks on an otherwise anodized black scope mount. Flipped the mount and sight over, and sure as shit the corresponding corners were shiny as well.

So I moved the mount forward one lug and used my fat wrench to torque it down before checking the torque on the sight. That was loose too, so I pulled it and checked the mount for level. Dead nuts. Reset the RDS and checked it for level as well. Dead nuts. Threw the bore laser in it and he suddenly had plenty of adjustment and we got it centered up at 30ft. He's heading out to sling some rounds down range with it and let me know how it does.

He posted it on Facebook, thanking me, and the "expert" was immediately texting him about how I was this and that and there was no way I fixed it because HE couldn't but good luck making trash run.

This is also the same expert currently trash talking hi points despite never having held one let alone fired one and refusing to come let me out shoot him with any of my cheap firearms. He's one of those "quality costs extra" assholes that thinks being an E4 stationed at a supply depot in Afghanistan means he's not a REMF. He also had a dependapotomus that still acts entitled.
 

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So, is this expert also a Perfection Fanboi? Sounds like the obnoxious that put me off both Glunk and ANY AR platform for a very long time.
 
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So, is this expert also a Perfection Fanboi? Sounds like the obnoxious that put me off both Glunk and ANY AR platform for a very long time.
Worse. He hates Glock because everybody owns a Glock. He's a sig fanboi, even though I tried to explain to him how Sig isn't Sig anymore because it's now a brand name owned by several sister companies and how the original "Sig" he thought he was being loyal to doesn't even have anything to do with firearms anymore.

I slapped him with the truth that:

A bad operator can make a precision firearm run like shit, while an experienced operator can make a garbage gun run like a raped ape. I guess we know which one you are since I got (friend's) "garbage" sight and mount dead on target after you installed them and he wouldn't have hit the broadside of a barn even if he was standing inside of it the way you had it.
 

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Good ol’ Rach....making friends and slapping idiots down everywhere he goes.

He’s a Sig fanboi...tell him if it isn’t an Ed Brown or a Les Baer, it ain’t shit. He won’t even know who they are....
 

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Good ol’ Rach....making friends and slapping idiots down everywhere he goes.

He’s a Sig fanboi...tell him if it isn’t an Ed Brown or a Les Baer, it ain’t shit. He won’t even know who they are....
Normally I couldn't care less about someone's gun snobbery. To each their own because it's your mind and your money. But when he told me I wouldn't be able to fix it because he tried, Vortex was just junk, and he and his "squad" were all seasoned shooters and they couldn't sight it in either...

It became a "challenge accepted" moment.
 

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Did the firearm begin to work properly after you worked on it? Was he able to zero it and get decent accuracy out of the long gun?
 

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There was never anything wrong with the rifle or the Burris, only the Vortex RDS and 45° offset due to improper mounting by the previous "expert".

I zeroed it at 10 yards, and he planned to go shooting today, but I haven't heard back yet. Last night was steak night at the Elks and he likes to drink. Throw in the fact that the raiders game is on right now and he's probably still tanked.
 

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I'm stupid, but what exactly does "shiny spots" and flipped mounts over mean? Were the mounts somehow on the wrong side of the rail or what?
 

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I'm stupid, but what exactly does "shiny spots" and flipped mounts over mean? Were the mounts somehow on the wrong side of the rail or what?
The "expert" placed the mount too close to the PEPR mount and the corner of the 45° rail and the corner of the RDS were making contact with it preventing them from sitting flush and square to their respective rails. The mount wasn't seated properly on the upper's pic rail and the RDS wasn't seated properly to the mounted rail. Throw in the actual 45° cant of the mount and the RDS was WAY the hell off target.

That contact created the telltale marks on all parts.
 

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The "expert" placed the mount too close to the PEPR mount and the corner of the 45° rail and the corner of the RDS were making contact with it preventing them from sitting flush and square to their respective rails. The mount wasn't seated properly on the upper's pic rail and the RDS wasn't seated properly to the mounted rail. Throw in the actual 45° cant of the mount and the RDS was WAY the hell off target.

That contact created the telltale marks on all parts.
I'm not sure what a PEPR mount is but even I know how to dry fit a new setup and one has to look at these possible conflicts... wowzers
 

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I'm not sure what a PEPR mount is but even I know how to dry fit a new setup and one has to look at these possible conflicts... wowzers
It's a cantilevered QD scope mount by Burris.
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An expert is someone who knows a lot about a particular subject.

A Specialist is someone who knows everything about a particular subject.

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An expert is someone who knows a lot about a particular subject.

A Specialist is someone who knows everything about a particular subject.

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Or is just a different, most common rank in the Army, without the authority of a NCO :p
 

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EXPERT
EX past or old, SPERT a drip
Thus, an Ex-Spurt is a has been drip under pressure....


An expert is someone who knows a lot about a particular subject.

A Specialist is someone who knows everything about a particular subject.

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I was always under the impression that an expert is someone that knows more and more, about less and less....
And a Specialist is someone that doesn’t bother with anything outside his area of concern.

So experts don’t know anything about the real world, and specialists don’t care.
 
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