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Gun Owners of America Challenge Washington State's I-1639 Gun Control Initiative

Springfield, Virginia - Gun Owners of America (GOA), Gun Owners Foundation (GOF) and plaintiff Kerry Slone are challenging Washington State's I-1639 gun control initiative.

This ballot initiative - which had a very suspect signature gathering process - forces increased background checks, training requirements, age limitations and waiting periods to purchase commonly-owned firearms, among other gun control measures.

This law regulates the protected right to keep and bear arms in ways that other rights are not. And GOA's suit forcefully makes this point.

Read more at: https://gunowners.org/goa-gof-challenge-washington-states-i-1639-gun-control-initiative/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NA Philly to Seattle Lawsuits 10142020&utm_content=NA Philly to Seattle Lawsuits 10142020+CID_e1518836c318011e3eb36db552beb64a&utm_source=Email&utm_term=READ MORE ABOUT THE CASE

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City of Philadelphia Sued over Gun Permit Processing Delays

Springfield, VA - Gun Owners America (GOA) and ten residents of Philadelphia have sued the city for excessive delays in license to carry firearms (LTCF) processing.

"The Philadelphia Police Department is not accepting LTCF applications in a timely manner," said Dr. Val Finnell, Pennsylvania Director for Gun Owners of America. "At least two of our plaintiffs have received initial appointments for January of 2022 and that's unacceptable."

"The law gives them 45 days to issue a LTCF, but residents are waiting more than a year for an appointment just to turn in their application," said Andrew Austin, attorney for the Plaintiffs. "It's a standardized form made by the [Pennsylvania] State Police that some counties in Pennsylvania are accepting by email. There is absolutely no justification for this."

The COVID-19 pandemic has resulted in record numbers of first-time gun buyers in Pennsylvania and across America. In the City of Philadelphia, one cannot carry a gun openly or concealed without an LTCF. With the excessive delays in LTCF processing, new gun owners, or those with an expiring permit, cannot legally defend themselves when leaving their homes.

Read more at: https://gunowners.org/city-of-philadelphia-sued-over-gun-permit-processing-delays/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NA Philly to Seattle Lawsuits 10142020&utm_content=NA Philly to Seattle Lawsuits 10142020+CID_e1518836c318011e3eb36db552beb64a&utm_source=Email&utm_term=READ MORE ABOUT THE CASE

 

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If you have not joined Gun Owners of America then get on the train. I need to send them some more money as they are going offensive and defensive for our 2nd Amendment liberties.

 

[Zorba]

While the NRA is buying suits and neckties...

 

[Visper]

If you have not joined Gun Owners of America then get on the train. I need to send them some more money as they are going offensive and defensive for our 2nd Amendment liberties.

Yeah, I joined a few weeks back and have not renewed my NRA membership, first time in a LONG while.

Good to see someone actually doing something.

 

[Silversides]

I sell a LOT of ammo and some guns on Gunbroker and exclude selling or shipping to the liberal communist states and D.C. just because they're stupid and due to their stupid laws. Since most buyers don't read GB ads, guess where a lot of buyers live? I just say "no". They voted the communists in so they can live with them.

 

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I just gave some more money to Gun Owners of America. They said they are campaigning hard in the state of Georgia. If we lose the Senate to Democrat control we will very likely lose the 2nd Amendment. They will also pack the Supreme Courts with Judges that will repeal our 2nd Amendment liberties.

 

[Silversides]

People have and are still buying guns and ammo for reasons, not to mention what they already have in their possession. Never will the government successfully confiscate guns in this country. There are too many people like me out there.

 

[RACHGIER]

People have and are still buying guns and ammo for reasons, not to mention what they already have in their possession. Never will the government successfully confiscate guns in this country. There are too many people like me out there.

They don't have to get them all off the street, only make them difficult to obtain in the future. By slowly outlawing parts, pieces, manufacturers, and types of firearms; they are essentially training future generations of Americans to abhor firearms by removing them from the mainstream. My sons love firearms and I will teach my grandchildren to shoot, but someday my rifles will be found in a hidden space and be turned over to the authorities because they are weapons of war and illegal now. The fact that at one time they were perfectly legal to own and are only a dangerous as the person wielding them, will have been conditioned out of existence.

 

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Never will the government successfully confiscate guns in this country. There are too many people like me out there.

I listened to a woman talk about Australia and what happened to a lot of the firearms they made illegal there. Many people just hid them and never turned them in to authorities. But they are illegal to use now in that country. If you get caught with one (even recreational shooting) you will very likely face fines and or go to prison.

 

[SWAGA]

There are too many people like me out there.

You insinuating you don't have a license or permit for the quantity you're selling ?
It sure sounds like it.
You know we have LEO members here don't you? Plus all gun forums being monitored?

 

[moona11]

You insinuating you don't have a license or permit for the quantity you're selling ?
It sure sounds like it.
You know we have LEO members here don't you? Plus all gun forums being monitored?

He isn't stating anything. Your reading into it. Trying to get on Harris's tit a little early are ya. Free free to give up your rights you voted them away. But the rest of us aren't that ignorant.

 

[Visper]

but someday my rifles will be found in a hidden space and be turned over to the authorities

I hear ya Rach... kinda reminds me of this story, god I hope it never comes to this:

Sundown at Coffin Rock
by Raymond K. Paden

(Part1)
The old man walked slowly through the dry, fallen leaves of autumn, his practiced eye automatically choosing the bare and stony places in the trail for his feet. There was scarcely a sound as he passed, though his left knee was stiff with scar tissue. He grunted occasionally as the tight sinews pulled. Damn chainsaw, he thought.

Behind him, the boy shuffled along, trying to imitate his grandfather, but unable to mimic the silent motion that the old man had learned during countless winter days upon this wooded mountain in pursuit of game. He's fifteen years old, the old man thought. Plenty old enough to be learning. But that was another time, another America. His mind drifted, and he saw himself, a fifteen-year-old boy following in the footsteps of his own grandfather, clutching a twelve gauge in his trembling hands as they tracked a wounded whitetail.

The leg was hurting worse now, and he slowed his pace a bit. Plenty of time. It should have been my own son here with me now, the old man thought sadly. But Jason had no interest, no understanding. He cared for nothing but pounding on the keys of that damned computer terminal. He knew nothing about the woods, or where food came from...or freedom. And that's my fault, isn't it?

The old man stopped and held up his hand, motioning for the boy to look. In the small clearing ahead, the deer stood motionless, watching them. It was a scraggly buck, underfed and sickly, but the boy's eyes lit up with excitement. It had been many years since they had seen even a single whitetail here on the mountain. After the hunting had stopped, the population had exploded. The deer had eaten the mountain almost bare until erosion had become a serious problem in some places. That following winter, three starving does had wandered into the old man's yard, trying to eat the bark off of his pecan trees, and he had wished the "animal rights" fanatics could have been there then. It was against the law, but old man knew a higher law, and he took an axe into the yard and killed the starving beasts. They did not have the strength to run.

The buck finally turned and loped away, and they continued down the trail to the river. When they came to the "Big Oak," the old man turned and pushed through the heavy brush beside the trail and the boy followed, wordlessly. The old man knew that Thomas was curious about their leaving the trail, but the boy had learned to move silently (well, almost) and that meant no talking. When they came to "Coffin Rock," the old man sat down upon it and motioned for the boy to join him.

"You see this rock, shaped like a casket?" the old man asked. "Yes sir." The old man smiled. The boy was respectful and polite. He loved the outdoors, too. Everything a man could ask in a grandson ....or a son.

"I want you to remember this place, and what I'm about to tell you. A lot of it isn't going to make any sense to you, but it's important and one day you'll understand it well enough. The old man paused. Now that he was here, he didn't really know where to start.

"Before you were born," he began at last, "this country was different. I've told you about hunting, about how everybody who obeyed the law could own guns. A man could speak out, anywhere, without worrying about whether he'd get back home or not. School was different, too. A man could send his kids to a church school, or a private school, or even teach them at home. But even in the public schools, they didn't spend all their time trying to brainwash you like they do at yours now." The old man paused, and was silent for many minutes. The boy was still, watching a chipmunk scavenging beside a fallen tree below them.

 

[Visper]

(Part2)

"Things don't ever happen all at once, boy. They just sort of sneak up on you. Sure, we knew guns were important; we just didn't think it would ever happen in America. But we had to do something about crime, they said. It was a crisis. Everything was a crisis! It was a drug crisis, or a terrorism crisis, or street crime, or gang crime. Even a 'health care' crisis was an excuse to take away a little more of our rights." The old man turned to look at his grandson.

"They ever let you read a thing called the Constitution down there at your school?" The boy solemnly shook his head. "Well, the Fourth Amendment's still in there. It says there won't be any unreasonable searches and seizures. It says you're safe in your own home." The old man shrugged. "That had to go. It was a crisis! They could kick your door open any time, day or night, and come in with guns blazing if they thought you had drugs ...or later, guns. Oh, at first it was just registration -- to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals! But that didn't work, of course, and then later when they wanted to take 'em they knew where to look. They banned 'assault rifles', and then 'sniper rifles', and 'Saturday night specials.' Everything you saw on the TV or in the movies was against us. God knows the news people were! And the schools were teaching our kids that nobody needed guns anymore. We tried to take a stand, but we felt like the whole face of our country had changed and we were left outside."

"Me and a friend of mine, when we saw what was happening, we came and built a secret place up here on the mountain. A place where we could put our guns until we needed them. We figured some day Americans would remember what it was like to be free, and what kind of price we had to pay for that freedom. So we hid our guns instead of losing them."

"One fellow I knew disagreed. He said we ought to use our guns now and stand up to the government. Said that the colonists had fought for their freedom when the British tried to disarm them at Lexington and Concord. Well, he and a lot of others died in what your history books call the 'Tax Revolt of 1998,' but son, it wasn't the revolt that caused the repeal of the Second Amendment like your history book says. The Second Amendment was already gone long before they ever repealed it. The rest of us thought we were doing the right thing by waiting. I hope to God we were right."

"You see, Thomas. It isn't government that makes a man free. In the end, governments always do just the opposite. They gobble up freedom like hungry pigs. You have to have laws to keep the worst in men under control, but at the same time the people have to have guns, too, in order to keep the government itself under control. In our country, the people were supposed to be the final authority of the law, but that was a long time ago. Once the guns were gone, there was no reason for those who run the government to give a damn about laws and constitutional rights and such. They just did what they pleased and anyone who spoke out...well, I'm getting ahead of myself."

"It took a long time to collect up all the millions of firearms that were in private hands. The government created a whole new agency to see to it. There were rewards for turning your friends in, too. Drug dealers and murderers were set free after two or three years in prison, but possession of a gun would get you mandatory life behind bars with no parole.

"I don't know how they found out about me, probably knew I'd been a hunter all those years, or maybe somebody turned me in. They picked me up on suspicion and took me down to the federal building."

"Son, those guys did everything they could think of to me. Kept me locked up in this little room for hours, no food, no water. They kept coming in, asking me where the guns were. 'What guns?' I said. Whenever I'd doze off, they'd come crashing in, yelling and hollering. I got to where I didn't know which end was up. I'd say I wanted my lawyer and they'd laugh. 'Lawyers are for criminals', they said. 'You'll get a lawyer after we get the guns.' What's so funny is, I know they thought they were doing the right thing. They were fighting crime!"

"When I got home I found Ruth sitting in the middle of the living room floor, crying her eyes out. The house was a shambles. While I was down there, they'd come out and took our house apart. Didn't need a search warrant, they said. National emergency! Gun crisis! Your grandma tried to call our preacher and they ripped the phone off the wall. Told her that they'd go easy on me if she just told them where I kept my guns." The old man laughed. "She told them to go to hell." He stared into the distance for a moment as his laughter faded.

"They wouldn't tell her about me, where I was or anything, that whole time. She said that she'd thought I was dead. She never got over that day, and she died the next December."

"They've been watching me ever since, off and on. I guess there's not much for them to do anymore, now that all the guns are gone. Plenty of time to watch one foolish old man." He paused. Beside him, the boy stared at the stone beneath his feet.

"Anyway, I figure that, one day, America will come to her senses. Our men will need those guns and they'll be ready. We cleaned them and sealed them up good; they'll last for years. Maybe it won't be in your lifetime, Thomas. Maybe one day you'll be sitting here with your son or grandson. Tell him about me, boy. Tell him about the way I said America used to be." The old man stood, his bad leg shaking unsteadily beneath him.

"You see the way this stone points? You follow that line one hundred feet down the hill and you'll find a big round rock. It looks like it's buried solid, but one man with a good prybar can lift it, and there's a concrete tunnel right under there that goes back into the hill."

The old man stood, watching as the sun eased toward the ridge, coloring the sky and the world red. Below them, the river still splashed among the stones, as it had for a million years. It's still going, the old man thought. There'll be someone left to carry on for me when I'm gone. It was harder to walk back. He felt old and purposeless now, and it would be easier, he knew, to give in to that aching heaviness in his left lung that had begun to trouble him more and more. Damn cigarettes, he thought. His leg hurt, and the boy silently came up beside him and supported him as they started down the last mile toward the house. How quiet he walks, the old man thought. He's learned well.

It was almost dark when the boy walked in. His father looked up from his paper. "Did you and your granddad have a nice walk?"

"Yes," the boy answered, opening the refrigerator. "You can call Agent Goodwin tomorrow. Gramps finally showed me where it is."

 

[SWAGA]

He isn't stating anything. Your reading into it. Trying to get on Harris's tit a little early are ya. Free free to give up your rights you voted them away. But the rest of us aren't that ignorant.

Guess you haven't read his other posts.
http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/threads/any-place-besides-gunbroker-and-armslist.335351/
Walks likes a duck, talks like a duck, sure ain't no turkey.
Canadians must have thought so too.
opcorn:

 

[fatal-bert33]

Not the ending I was expecting...lol !!!

 

[fatal-bert33]

While the NRA is buying suits and neckties...

I am still trying to understand why a person with a salary of a million dollars a year needs an $18,000.00 a year clothing allowance. I didnt renew my membership.

 

[lklawson]

You insinuating you don't have a license or permit for the quantity you're selling ?
It sure sounds like it.
You know we have LEO members here don't you? Plus all gun forums being monitored?

I don't think you need a license in most states to resell pre-manufactured ammunition. You do need an FFL to manufacture ammo for sale.

Is a license required to engage in the business of selling small arms ammunition?
No. A license is not required for a dealer in ammunition only. However a license is required to manufacture or import ammunition.

[18 U.S.C. 922 (a)(1)(B); 27 CFR 478.41]]
Ref: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/license-required-engage-business-selling-small-arms-ammunition​

Now, selling guns "for profit," OTOH, can get a bit fuzzy. The ATF says it's OK to sell guys you already own for a profit but not as a business. How they determine that is very flexible in a "I'll know it when I see it" kinda way.

BATFE doc explaining it:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/guide/atf-p-53102-do-i-need-license-buy-or-sell-firearms/download

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[RACHGIER]

I don't think you need a license in most states to resell pre-manufactured ammunition. You do need an FFL to manufacture ammo for sale.

Is a license required to engage in the business of selling small arms ammunition?
No. A license is not required for a dealer in ammunition only. However a license is required to manufacture or import ammunition.

[18 U.S.C. 922 (a)(1)(B); 27 CFR 478.41]]
Ref: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/license-required-engage-business-selling-small-arms-ammunition​

Now, selling guns "for profit," OTOH, can get a bit fuzzy. The ATF says it's OK to sell guys you already own for a profit but not as a business. How they determine that is very flexible in a "I'll know it when I see it" kinda way.

BATFE doc explaining it:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/guide/atf-p-53102-do-i-need-license-buy-or-sell-firearms/download

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

The fact the he specifically stated that he buys low to sell high and maximize profit, and does so on a regular basis means he self identified as a dealer and his activities are felonious because he's not selling from his personal collection but doing it as a source of income.

He's already framed the intent that the prosecution would need to present.

 

[lklawson]

The fact the he specifically stated that he buys low to sell high and maximize profit, and does so on a regular basis means he self identified as a dealer and his activities are felonious because he's not selling from his personal collection but doing it as a source of income.

He's already framed the intent that the prosecution would need to present.

For firearms sales.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[RACHGIER]

For firearms sales.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Still a federal felony carrying up to 5 years and/or $250,000.