[HiPoint45]

Fair enough. I do what I think is important as do they.

 

[SHOOTER Z]

the point i was attempting to make is that its all fine and good to post about your beliefs on the internet. these are actually going out and DOING WHAT THEY SAY, hence "nut up, or shut up". its time to start acting on what you say or be quiet. words arent enough anymore. freedom of speech means nothing if you wont back it up 100%. these guys are.

SW

I agree. If the SS and Local LEO's have no problem I don't see the big issue on it. the anti gun goobers can kiss my royal butt!! If they were trying to assainate Zero they security forces would have been on em LONG before his eminence was ANYWHERE near the area!!!

 

[bomber101581]

the point i was attempting to make is that its all fine and good to post about your beliefs on the internet. these are actually going out and DOING WHAT THEY SAY, hence "nut up, or shut up". its time to start acting on what you say or be quiet. words arent enough anymore. freedom of speech means nothing if you wont back it up 100%. these guys are.

SW

i agree. the problem i have with it is, its not entirely an appropriate message (the guy in NH with the sign). we have not yet reached the level that he was touting. its unnecessarily inflammatory. i am all for inflammatory, but i just think his sign and his open carry put together was premature. however, i fully support his right to do what he did. and he did 'nut up' for sure. gotta respect the 'nut up' :yes:

 

[Rhodes]

The problem I have with most of those that see the OC as foolish is that they do so out of fear. Fear of ridicule, fear of retribution, fear of persecution, or just nameless fear of everything. What a pathetic existence it must be to already be a slave.

 

[ekim]

the point i was attempting to make is that its all fine and good to post about your beliefs on the internet. these are actually going out and DOING WHAT THEY SAY, hence "nut up, or shut up". its time to start acting on what you say or be quiet. words arent enough anymore. freedom of speech means nothing if you wont back it up 100%. these guys are.

SW

i agree. the problem i have with it is, its not entirely an appropriate message (the guy in NH with the sign). we have not yet reached the level that he was touting. its unnecessarily inflammatory. i am all for inflammatory, but i just think his sign and his open carry put together was premature. however, i fully support his right to do what he did. and he did 'nut up' for sure. gotta respect the 'nut up' :yes:

At what level is it appropriate for his message. Where do we / you draw that line? I think that line was crossed quite a while ago.

SW
+100%

Rhodes
+100% talk is cheap, and talking to a politican is like talking to your dinning room table = aka barny frank.
Talking to nobama is just as bad , because he's a bigger lier than bf.

 

[Butterbone]

The problem I have with most of those that see the OC as foolish is that they do so out of fear. Fear of ridicule, fear of retribution, fear of persecution, or just nameless fear of everything. What a pathetic existence it must be to already be a slave.

Rhodes you did the same thing in the thread about "Would you be a criminal". You chose to leave the topic alone. You don't list your owned weapons in your posts anymore either.

Doesn't this situation apply similarly to your "ego" ideas from the other thread?

So it's prudent planning when you do the same thing, but cowardly pathetic slavery when someone else makes a similar point you just happen to take exception to? Or you see what you think is a free shot?

I think that's the thing that is ...iritating. You take such a harsh line on sooo many people, but act like you're sh*t don't stink. Well it does.
Own it.

 

[bomber101581]

The problem I have with most of those that see the OC as foolish is that they do so out of fear. Fear of ridicule, fear of retribution, fear of persecution, or just nameless fear of everything. What a pathetic existence it must be to already be a slave.

i agree though many people believe that courage to walk the talk only applies to certain thing in life. i believe that it should be a universal virtue.....

 

[condition1]

Raygam, 2TN, Loopster
+1

Hats off to the guy, but it's obvious that some of the media are playing it to the disadvantage of gun owners.

 

[Rhodes]

The problem I have with most of those that see the OC as foolish is that they do so out of fear. Fear of ridicule, fear of retribution, fear of persecution, or just nameless fear of everything. What a pathetic existence it must be to already be a slave.

Rhodes you did the same thing in the thread about "Would you be a criminal". You chose to leave the topic alone. You don't list your owned weapons in your posts anymore either.

Doesn't this situation apply similarly to your "ego" ideas from the other thread?

So it's prudent planning when you do the same thing, but cowardly pathetic slavery when someone else makes a similar point you just happen to take exception to? Or you see what you think is a free shot?

I think that's the thing that is ...iritating. You take such a harsh line on sooo many people, but act like you're sh*t don't stink. Well it does.
Own it.

Never confuse courage with stupidity. After considering it for a long while I formulated an answer that fit the the guys curiosity and could never come back to haunt. Don't laugh crap like that happens. Now if we want to make a formal protest by OC at some event then it would no longer be stupidity, at least it has some reason.

I nor you know why the guy OC at the event but what I did comment on was the reasons they would not. Do I think the guy acted foolishly? Perhaps, but he was if you notice black, and got a pass or least much more a pass if some white guy was packing that kind of heat so there was much less risk in it for him. Please save the moral outrage it is true and everyone knows it. Now if he indeed was doing this as a matter of protest that's good or at least worthwhile, but am I going to throw something on a web site just because someone is curious? Hell no, not any longer, I have learned from others experiences.

Now obviously Ive upset you to some degree and you wish to make this personal. Short and sweet Ive not the respect for you or your opinions for them to bother me.

 

[bomber101581]

Never confuse courage with stupidity.

honestly, there are times where the two become indistinguishable to the observer.

 

[Rhodes]

Never confuse courage with stupidity.

honestly, there are times where the two become indistinguishable to the observer.

The only thing that separates them is reason, like every thing else in life.
Well also the fact that we never have any shortage of stupidity but courage seems rarest when most needed.

 

[Butterbone]

The problem I have with most of those that see the OC as foolish is that they do so out of fear. Fear of ridicule, fear of retribution, fear of persecution, or just nameless fear of everything. What a pathetic existence it must be to already be a slave.

Rhodes you did the same thing in the thread about "Would you be a criminal". You chose to leave the topic alone. You don't list your owned weapons in your posts anymore either.

Doesn't this situation apply similarly to your "ego" ideas from the other thread?

So it's prudent planning when you do the same thing, but cowardly pathetic slavery when someone else makes a similar point you just happen to take exception to? Or you see what you think is a free shot?

I think that's the thing that is ...iritating. You take such a harsh line on sooo many people, but act like you're sh*t don't stink. Well it does.
Own it.

Never confuse courage with stupidity. After considering it for a long while I formulated an answer that fit the the guys curiosity and could never come back to haunt. Don't laugh crap like that happens. Now if we want to make a formal protest by OC at some event then it would no longer be stupidity, at least it has some reason.

I nor you know why the guy OC at the event but what I did comment on was the reasons they would not. Do I think the guy acted foolishly? Perhaps, but he was if you notice black, and got a pass or least much more a pass if some white guy was packing that kind of heat so there was much less risk in it for him. Please save the moral outrage it is true and everyone knows it. Now if he indeed was doing this as a matter of protest that's good or at least worthwhile, but am I going to throw something on a web site just because someone is curious? Hell no, not any longer, I have learned from others experiences.

Now obviously Ive upset you to some degree and you wish to make this personal. Short and sweet Ive not the respect for you or your opinions for them to bother me.

The guy I saw was white. Had a nice shirt and an AR-15 platform rifle and a sidearm on his opposing hip. Maybe it's two different situations overlapping.

After considering it for a long while I formulated an answer that fit the the guys curiosity and could never come back to haunt. Don't laugh crap like that happens.

Perfectly reasonable, and in most cases I believe you deliberate your responses. But not all. Noone is perfect. There's no expectation for you to be by any reasonable person.

white guy was packing that kind of heat so there was much less risk in it for him. Please save the moral outrage it is true and everyone knows it.

I totally agree with you there. But I gurantee if I'd made that comment there would have been a nice list of insults and attempted gotcha's thrown my way. It's true and we both know it.

You haven't upset me. I was pointing out what I see as an inconsistency that I feel is incompatible with your "persona" as I have encountered it thus far. Persona isn't being used as a slant or insult either. It's the best word to describe the projected personalities that happen when you communicate in this form.

Short and sweet Ive not the respect for you or your opinions for them to bother me.

That is why it is my opinion that you cannot have a discussion. You ignore any opinion you don't already agree with.

But I will say this is the first time you have responded to a post by me without a direct, or backhanded, insult!
Thank you.
I almost felt like I was treated like something with thumbs.

One day, I aspire to the heights of being responded to like a full fledged MAN you just really loathe! lol :devilsidesmile:

OH wait,

Short and sweet Ive not the respect for you or your opinions for them to bother me.

You know since I wasn't trying to "bother you" I will just look at that as a self defense remark.

 

[Rhodes]

All forums are only ways to express opinion and inform. When you present arguments that I know are behind the destruction of our country I will oppose your ideas. I don't do it to be liked or respected, there are greater things at risk than popularity. I will let those running for office be concerned with popularity Ive no time or stomach for it. What I will do is oppose the socialist and progressive statist agenda at every turn. Its not something that came naturally but I am learning as many people are learning news ways to resist this natural enemy of liberty and rule of law. If you set yourself up a a pundit for these abominable ideas don't expect much respect from me either.

Apparently unknown to you is that forum postings of this type are written for the audience, as I have no delusion of ever convincing a pundit of anything.

 

[Butterbone]

How is having and expressing my own opinion being a pundit?

I'm not actively campaigning on behalf of anyone or anything other than ideas and opinions that I feel are valid and deserving of further inspection. If I think one part of an idea is good. I'll advocate that "part", it's easy to strip away bad or useless parts of an idea through the simple application of common sense.

I tow no party line, and adhere strictly to no philosophy or code other than those I make for myself. Which are earned from experience and dealing with people and trying to be the best person I can be.
That's where I get my authority from. Doing my best, when I know I don't have to. Doing the right thing when historically it's proven to work against my own immediate interests.

I obviously have little interest in popularity, or infamy either. Not a troll! But I don't need to "yup yup" when I don't really agree either.

And I do think you can change peoples opinions. You shouldn't try too hard. Then it's just ideological bully'ing.

All forums are only ways to express opinion and inform. When you present arguments that I know are behind the destruction of our country I will oppose your ideas.

I can work with that. But are you willing to listen to understand instead of just oppose them?? That's what I'm not convinced about.

 

[Rhodes]

I have listened to your ideas for 40 years and once even believed them, until like any rational human I found they were complete non-sense and all that remains for us is to limit government according to the plan that ratified its existence. They have not changed since the Teddy Roosevelt, and you ofter nothing but party line so what pray tell are you going to say that hasn't been covered? Nothing.

Now the progressives having plainly been informed of the American public's desires to have the Federal government stop this health care fiasco are going to pass it anyway. Nice bunch of people. As I said before I sleep well at night knowing Ive not helped to elect a single one of these "progressives" as they call themselves now, I can think of better names.

 

[Butterbone]

and you ofter nothing but party line so what pray tell are you going to say that hasn't been covered? Nothing.

I tow no party line, and adhere strictly to no philosophy or code other than those I make for myself. Which are earned from experience and dealing with people and trying to be the best person I can be.

Reading! It's what's for dinner. I'm just sayin, I'm not sayin!

 

[Rhodes]

and you ofter nothing but party line so what pray tell are you going to say that hasn't been covered? Nothing.

I tow no party line, and adhere strictly to no philosophy or code other than those I make for myself. Which are earned from experience and dealing with people and trying to be the best person I can be.

Reading! It's what's for dinner. I'm just sayin, I'm not sayin!

You have identified your beliefs very well, dont try to dodge them now. You claim one thing then say another, how typical, the only person you are fooling is yourself.

 

[Branth]

When you present arguments that I know are behind the destruction of our country I will oppose your ideas. I don't do it to be liked or respected, there are greater things at risk than popularity. I will let those running for office be concerned with popularity Ive no time or stomach for it. What I will do is oppose the socialist and progressive statist agenda at every turn.

This forum is not a battleground; this is not congress, this is not a town hall, we are not political activists. If you want to make a difference, join an organization, go to protests, write letters to politicians, fight the good fight where it matters and not on a forum for an open-minded exchange of ideas.

 

[bomber101581]

I can work with that. But are you willing to listen to understand instead of just oppose them?? That's what I'm not convinced about.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without believing it.

aristotle

 

[Rhodes]

I can work with that. But are you willing to listen to understand instead of just oppose them?? That's what I'm not convinced about.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without believing it.

aristotle

Entertained the idea of genocide lately? How about the idea of selling children? So much garbage.

Why should we entertain an idea that we well know is destructive. I do not maintain that every one must live life as I would have them live it. But these ideas maintain we all must live as socialists for they cannot have their way without forcing it on others. That force is violence for it is backed up by thugs with guns that will follow orders.

If there were no other reason that alone should be enough. Even if it worked, or what passes for that, it still requires those who do not subscribe be forced to comply. That kind of force cannot be used lightly but they do. As our constitution was written and in it's spirit there would be little in the way of forcing men to comply for how much force has to be used where each man can pursue happiness? Who would even care if the man decided not to pursue it?

We have tolerated these ideas long enough thinking perhaps there was some good intention, that is no longer the case. I will speak out against them as long as I have voice to do so and will no longer "entertain" them.