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Dont agree with any of the options and will offer my own. We have several problems that are creating this mess lets deal with them all.

If a person is healthy enough to work then they will be put to work and given the opportunity to pay into an insurance program just like every one else. We have tons of infrastructure projects that need doing time to kill both birds.

If the person though infirmity is unable to work then they would be treated as any civil society and given the necessities until they no longer need the help.

If a person refuses to work then let em starve. If they don't belong here send them back. If they illegally harm another person or cheat the state put them to work until they pay back to the victim or state an amount deemed suitable to the court up to and including forfeiture of their entire life, all funds must be from this work and not personal fortunes. If proven they are too dangerous to work then the penalty is a speedy death.

Will that solve 100% of the problem? We dont know its never really been tried. Its time to end this entitlement disaster and restore some dignity.
 

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Dont agree with any of the options and will offer my own. We have several problems that are creating this mess lets deal with them all.

If a person is healthy enough to work then they will be put to work and given the opportunity to pay into an insurance program just like every one else. We have tons of infrastructure projects that need doing time to kill both birds.

If the person though infirmity is unable to work then they would be treated as any civil society and given the necessities until they no longer need the help.

If a person refuses to work then let em starve. If they don't belong here send them back. If they illegally harm another person or cheat the state put them to work until they pay back to the victim or state an amount deemed suitable to the court up to and including forfeiture of their entire life, all funds must be from this work and not personal fortunes. If proven they are too dangerous to work then the penalty is a speedy death.

Will that solve 100% of the problem? We dont know its never really been tried. Its time to end this entitlement disaster and restore some dignity.
if you can boil that down to one sentence, i will add it to the poll
Hehe remove all but the last period. If as it seems there must be some reform in health care then it must focus on personal responsibility.
So call it a Common Sense approach, benefits are paid for by the recipient. All I suggest is giving the poor the ability though hard work to pay their own way. This will instill dignity and result in fewer poor, not though government handouts but by their own hand.

We must remind ourselves that in this country those that are rich are so due to hard work and personal dedication while those that are poor are so due to negligence. The exception is of course the infirm and that must remain the only exception or it will bloat.

What the socialists suggest will in the end destroy the world's last hope of a free civilization. How easy they find it their hearts to do so, this makes them and their ideals the enemy of our liberty and must be treated as such or they will succeed.
 

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Hehe remove all but the last period. If as it seems there must be some reform in health care then it must focus on personal responsibility.
So call it a Common Sense approach, benefits are paid for by the recipient. All I suggest is giving the poor the ability though hard work to pay their own way. This will instill dignity and result in fewer poor, not though government handouts but by their own hand.
i hate to put words in your mouth, but that sounds like govt subsidized health care for the poor. unless you are asking the insurance companies to voluntarily lower their prices so that the poor can afford it to. sorry, that just aint gonna happen. they are in this business to make money, and you don't make money by selling your product for less than it costs you to make it.

a lot of poor people work hard and still cannot afford healthcare (i was one of them for awhile). so the only way your model would work is to lower the cost artificially, translation 'gov't subsidy'.

and you can't just eliminate all poverty through 'hard work'. As jesus christ himself said, "the poor you will always have with you"
You asked I answered, since we get in return for the money a service in the form of labor we are not giving any one anything. If we must help them then we must help to restore dignity and work ethics not bloat welfare roles that destroy the human spirit.

Poor is a relative term. Poor in the US today would be filthy rich in any other time or place. How long until you realize that this country is not like any that exists now or ever before. Here hard work can indeed eliminate poverty in all but the most specail of cases. We have never achieved more than the smallest fraction of this countries true potential.
 

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Hmm The suggestion Im offering is employment for those that think they need such, doing work that we as a country need performed, badly need. If a millionaire wants to patch potholes for a paycheck that includes insurance so let him, I just rightly assume none would want to do this.

Having nothing objective to define poverty then we can always class someone poor. The poor used to starve as a matter of routine.

Poverty is used in this country as a means of gaining political power by those that claim to champion them. In return all they require is your freedom.

At some point we have to admit this is getting us no where but slavery.
 

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Actually Its still just an idea in progress. I do not purpose any gift or handout or increase in federal involvement in health care only providing means to pay.
 

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Well I could do as Obama and claim the Easter Bunny is going to pay for it but then maybe not rumor is hes broke also.
 

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Either Santa or us.

The recipient pays just like I said above. They would draw a paycheck for the work performed on infrastructure and from that deductions for insurance. The government would of course have to grow a brain to implement it but its the only way I could ever get behind any reform outside of tort reform. We have no choice on repairing our infrastructure so why not combine it? How much more clear do I have to be?

Want to save money, enact tort reform. That alone would reduce costs as much as 20% by some estimates. Why isnt it in this bill?

Want to save even more? Enact anti-fraud measures to the point of being draconian. There's another 4%, why is it not in this bill?

Of course this assumes they really do want to work which I am guessing not to be entirely accurate for a good percentage.

FDRs program just wasted money, they built roads that went no where and bridges without roads. Waste and fraud was rampant which is why I see nothing happening here.
 

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Quoting Marx is like quoting Jerry Lewis, both are fools just one is acting. If your wisdom comes from him then you are making yourself in the image a fool responsible for the most horrid inhumane ineffectual governments in the history of mankind. Socialism has failed, does fail, and always will fail.

As for CCW projects you are paying homage to the legend not the truth. There is a road not two miles from my house built under that program that went to the middle of a swamp and just stopped. The country used to be full of these things. Some of the projects were worthy, most were foolish wastes of money or frauds.

What I would offer them are jobs doing a task that we must pay for anyway with contributions paid like any other employee. It is not a subsidy to the poor because there is no requirement to be poor to participate. But it is unlikely anyone would want to sign on to this if they already had better. But if I had my choice nothing would be done since the government will only foul it up no matter how well intentioned.
 

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Marx was indeed a fool, knew nothing of human nature, subsisted off the charity of others and was rather hypocritical in his personal life. In other words no more brilliant than those that influenced Hitler. All accomplished the same thing, human misery on scales thought unbelievable before.

There are tons of these roads perhaps you should look into the subject just how much that program cost us. You have convinced me of one thing though. My idea is flawed and I renounce it. Now I believe anything done though the Feds is doomed to failure despite intentions.
 

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Marx was indeed a fool, knew nothing of human nature, subsisted off the charity of others and was rather hypocritical in his personal life. In other words no more brilliant than those that influenced Hitler. All accomplished the same thing, human misery on scales thought unbelievable before.
many millions have died at the hands of those who invoke the name of Christ, was he a fool too?

just so you know, i'm not comparing Marx to Christ, i'm just saying that both have had their words and intentions twisted to further the ends of evil people
No bomber Christ understood human nature perfectly and never advocated anything other than his own actions. You are straining here and on the wrong side of this matter.
 

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Any one advocating and justifying tyranny advocates brutality, genocide, murder, and all manner of human misery. At this point I have to ask have you even read Marx? His position that revolution and civil war would be required to bring about the dictatorship of the people or his so called transition period soaks his writing in blood before it was even shed. Any that would defend this person and even compare him to our only hope of salvation places them in a position as an enemy of humanity as a whole.

Have we not paid a high enough price for Marx's delusions? Have we not had enough of these socialist utopia nightmares?

I can only hope you are making this defense from a position of one who has been fooled, if not then I am truly sorry for you.
 

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You know Im still waiting on someone to explain why I should have to pay for someone else to have an abortion. Health care was supposed to be a private matter isn't that at the heart of Roe v Wade? Seems the sham is pretty clear now.
 

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Ive a feeling if you lost some of the hopelessness and cynicism replaced it with anger and you would find we agreed on a lot. That is not a put down, we all go though the phases.
 

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Given Spielberg's results in life lessons I wouldn't put much stock into his teachings.

Its time to get pissed!
 

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It also clears the mind of indecision and weakness when it is righteous. There is a difference you know...

And yes thats Lucas but same thing applies I dont look to hollywierd for guidance.
 
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