HI! JHP Pistol, 4595 Carbine, Break-In, Defensive Ammo, etc

Discussion in 'Hi-Point Pistols' started by Oliver Leveritt, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. Oliver Leveritt

    Oliver Leveritt Member

    Hi, I'm new to the forum. I'm not new to firearms and ammunition. Since the post is relevant specifics of ammunition for pistols and carbines, I put it here in General to avoid running basically the same post in a pistol form and in a carbine forum.

    What are your experiential findings (positive and negative) over time on performance and usability of various brands / weights of Jacketed Hollow Point ammo in the Hi-Point JHP .45 ACP pistol and the 4595TS .45 ACP carbine using Hi-Point factory magazines and/or RedBall magazines only?

    I have edited this post in cognizance of the notion that some people may feel that this forum is not a good place for the exchange of information at a technical or detailed degree.
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2020
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  2. cicpup

    cicpup Resident PITA Supporting Member

    Yea. Just so you know most of us gave up right around here. There's a few really bored people who will read it and a couple teachers here that will be happy to look over your report and possibly grade it for you, but for your best chance of results you really need to get right to the point. Gun nuts have very short attention spans. Probably explains the need to acquire large arsenals.

    Oh, without reading your post I'll bet $5 that everything in it has been covered several times here and could be found by searching. Just a hunch.
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  3. fatal-bert33

    fatal-bert33 Member

    You are right as usual, I went to the last paragraph. Here it is>

    What are your experiential findings (positive and negative) over time on performance and usability of various brands / weights of Jacketed Hollow Point ammo in the Hi-Point JHP .45 ACP pistol and the 4595TS .45 ACP carbine?
  4. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    We actually have a caliber section just for discussing ammunition and the search bar at the top does work.

    The long and short of it is, shoot a box of everything and pick the ammo your carbine likes best. Everyone's results will vary because the individual shooter is the biggest variable.
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  5. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

    Hi Oliver.
    .45 JHP owner from Florida here.
    I shoot the cheapest ammo I can find which is usually Tula steel case FMJ.
    The JHP tends to be the least troublesome as far as mags are concerned although I’ve had one problem mag.
    If you run into issues after you’ve had a double feed it’s because your firing pin is bent. It doubles as ejector in the HP design.
    Extractor pulls it back and it bounce off the the exposed firing pin.
    Exercise caution when ejecting live rounds because of this.
    It’s rare but an out of battery detonation is not out of the question with this design.
    Pull the slide back and let the round drop out.
    I’ve bought my JHP used for $100 from an pawnshop and have put about 2000 rounds through it now.
    Just replaced the plastic guide rod with a steel one as it has mushroomed some.
    HiPoint will send you free firing pins and spring kits if you need them.
    As far as JHP, I’ve shot reman ammo and everything else.
    I keep one mag with mystery brand JHP’s and all 4 follow up mags are Tula FMJ.
  6. Hipointer

    Hipointer Member

    I have the C9 and CF380, and they both seem to be able to run pretty much all the JHP ammo I have tried in them.
  7. Oliver Leveritt

    Oliver Leveritt Member

    I did use the search bar. Aggressively. For two or three hours. Used several different search arguments. I still didn't find any cohesive info, so I asked the question.

    Trying to shoot a box of everything right now is not a viable option, since you can't find most of the ammo that I'd be looking for, and what I can find is well over $1 per round and more.
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  8. Oliver Leveritt

    Oliver Leveritt Member

    Is that a reference to hollow point or the pistol?

    I don't shoot Tula or any steel case ammo, because the firing ranges around Houston do not allow steel case on their ranges.

    I don't shoot FMJ for defensive ammo.
  9. Oliver Leveritt

    Oliver Leveritt Member

    That's great. Since there are differences between the 380 / 9 and .45 ACP pistols and ammunition, I don't see how I can apply any of that to my questions.
  10. ajole

    ajole Supporting Member

    NE Utah
    The .45’s of either type, carbine or pistol, seem to run everything and anything. FMJ, JHP self defense, lead plinking ammo, whatever. They even ran the first ever .45 ACP reloads I did back in the day that my 1911 would stick on.

    As they’ve said above, with ammo being crazy, I’d say buy the cheapest you can find and run with it. Really good chance it will just work, whatever it is.

    As to accuracy, that will always come down to you and the load your gun likes. Not everyone else’s results will match yours, though they might make a good starting point.
  11. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    Do you think anyone here would bother playing nice considering how sanctimonious your original post sounded where you completely disregarded 10+ years of posts as inane, unintelligent babble that wasn't worth a plug nickel?

    I mean we could just go roll it back to when you insulted everybody if you want...
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  12. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

    I’ll repeat myself.
    The JHP (gun) is the least troublesome as far as mags.

    I’ve shot all sorts of cheapo JHP ammo including manufactured mystery brand.
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  13. Oliver Leveritt

    Oliver Leveritt Member

    My original post was an attempt to indicate that I had put forth effort in due diligence in an attempt to find the info that I was searching for. It was also an attempt to indicate where I was and what I had learned, as well as to narrow the field of inquiry to specifics regarding particular models of firearm and particular magazines -- since I had noted many posts regarding the varying reliability of different magazines. It was a simple process that worked pretty well in school and even the business world when I asked a question such as "I know this about it, and I understand that about it, but here's the particular part that I'm not seeing. Ask a vague question and get vague answers or answers that are not relevant to the information being sought. My goal was to narrow my field of inquiry in order to gain a narrowed field of response. Sanctimony was the furthest thing from my mind or intention.
    I added some Hi-Point firearms to my collection, so I came to the forum to learn the nature of the beast, so to speak -- same as with anything else. I didn't come here for any other reason.
  14. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    No, your first post was a diatribe on how superior you felt to everyone along with how nobody should comment if they only owned a 9mm or a .40S&W.

    You could stand to learn a little bit of nettiquette. I'll clue you in on how this place works just in case you decided to take the stick out of your butt and hang around.

    1. We don't care about your credentials. Bragging about them tends to get you bullied.

    2. The more you demand narrow band answers, the wider and wilder the answers will get.

    3. Editing your posts to hide stuff is the fastest way to get abused. Makes you seem disingenuous.

    4. The broad answers you're getting about, "buy a bunch of stuff and shoot what your gun likes?" Yeah, that's the number 1 best answer to your question.

    5. Your seemingly smug attitude about how you don't want to hear about the magazines because you'll just keep returning them until you get good ones? Get over yourself. 30 seconds with a pair of needle nose pliers and some sand paper vs 4 - 6 weeks of wait time? Plus HP prefers it if you send the firearms in with the faulty mags so they can test fire and tweak them for you...

    You can be offended all you want but you went day one dumb on guys with about 100+ years of collective experience, because you read about it or youtubed it instead. Due diligence is one thing, rollin' in on your high horse like your shit don't stink and talking down to people like they're peasants is another.
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  15. Oliver Leveritt

    Oliver Leveritt Member

    Ahhh . . . cool. That's good to know. Thank you!
  16. Oliver Leveritt

    Oliver Leveritt Member

    I didn't come here to feel superior to anyone. I came here as a Hi-point owner to converse with other Hi-Point owners.

    As for "nettiquette", I have been engaged in forums and groups as member and admin for over two decades, but I'm not citing that as a "credential". I merely mention it as part of my learning experience.

    I don't consider myself to be "credentialed".

    I edited the post as an act of compliance in simplification -- not to "hide" stuff.

    I mentioned that I had returned some Ruger mags once. I also mentioned that ProMag currently didn't have a good record overall, and that I had already experienced some issues with Promag. I noted that I had never had to tweak mags on any other firearms. I fail to see how that is being smug or superior. If I spend my very limited income on something, I want it to work right. That's all.

    A lot of my post was framed in consideration of what I had found (or been unable to find) on this very forum.

    I try very hard to maintain clear communication.

    Out of curiosity, if one of the forum members had put 1,000 rounds of XXX brand of xxgr. jacketed hollow points through his JHP pistol with no hiccups, wouldn't that be valuable information to me? Or, is there enough variance in the JHP pistols that it would be invalid information and I'd have to start from scratch?

    It's things like that that I'm trying to learn relative to Hi-Point firearms. I never had any desire or intention for it to go outside those bounds. I look for not only the "what", but the "why".

    I didn't come here to look down on people or feel better than anyone. I'm just some guy that has spent a lot of enjoyable time on forums over the past couple of decades. Even got to meet a lot of the people in person around the country. Many of them are now friends of mine. I always considered things like that to be a positive addition to my life. People and the exchange of ideas and information . . .
  17. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    What's the difference if the information you're going to have repeated to you here and now wasn't good enough the first time you read it because it was just "knee-jerk, anecdotal, subjective opinion"?

    I've got over 6,000 rounds through my 4095, but I'm just wasting my time right? Doesn't matter that the 40 and 45 differ only in bore diameter, recoil springs, and mag followers though... right?

    Loosen your death grip on trying to control how this conversation goes. You'll learn a whole lot more by letting the conversation flow on it's own then you will trying to force it. There's what you think you know and then what you'll actually learn from our anecdotal and subjective opining.
  18. Twisty

    Twisty Simple by choice Supporting Member

    Yeah but the search function sucks. Plus we get to show of our vast knowledge of of which I have none.
  19. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    It's a whole lot better than it used to be. It's why we're seeing so many zombie threads. The tagging system finally works for keyword searches.

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    Just on reloading formulas. The rest is wideassed open for discussion.

    Do not watch youtube hi-point videos as there is a lot of gooberbubbas that can screw up your guns.

    Don't polish the ramp, change the "trigger" spring which is actually the sear spring. Of great knowledge here.