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Someone on another forum was nice enough to sift thru all the verbage in the proposed ‘assault’ weapons ban and boil it down to a short list, including all brands of AKs & ARs. I found it ‘amusing’ that the proposed bill included my Beretta CX4 Storm, Kel Tec Sub2K & Hi Point carbines.

so how does a 32” firearm with an 18” barrel get on a ban list while just about every other easily concealable handgun has more capacity?

And the punchline is that my non-tactical Mini-14 & fixed mag SKS aren’t on the list.
I guess that whoever did their research used flash cards and someone’s first grade class...and concluded that since SKSs have fixed mags they must be loaded like muzzleloaders...
 

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Of course :rolleyes: as the bill stands, it likely will pass House, but Senate is the primary problem, because they won't have the 60 votes needed for a filibuster-proof majority. Ita highly probable they'll attempt to backdoor it through "Senate rules change" or some BS.

What is far likelier to get a 60+ vote majority would be the following;
A bill to amend or modify NFA1934/GCA 1968 and FOPA 86
-to add a class of firearms to the NFA taxed firearms classes
-to call this class "Assault Weapons"
-to include all models and variants of ARs and AKs not already covered by SBR/SBS, MG, AOW classes
-to include all the features so described in AWB2.0 proposals
-to require registration of currently owned firearms
-to require payment of tax
-to prohibit making/manufacture without a SOT FFL license of 0-80% receivers and firearms that would be in one of the NFA classes including AWs
-to require surrender or transfer of currently owned AWs to the ATF or local Police if not willing to pay NFA tax and registration
 

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Of course :rolleyes: as the bill stands, it likely will pass House, but Senate is the primary problem, because they won't have the 60 votes needed for a filibuster-proof majority. Ita highly probable they'll attempt to backdoor it through "Senate rules change" or some BS.

What is far likelier to get a 60+ vote majority would be the following;
A bill to amend or modify NFA1934/GCA 1968 and FOPA 86
-to add a class of firearms to the NFA taxed firearms classes
-to call this class "Assault Weapons"
-to include all models and variants of ARs and AKs not already covered by SBR/SBS, MG, AOW classes
-to include all the features so described in AWB2.0 proposals
-to require registration of currently owned firearms
-to require payment of tax
-to prohibit making/manufacture without a SOT FFL license of 0-80% receivers and firearms that would be in one of the NFA classes including AWs
-to require surrender or transfer of currently owned AWs to the ATF or local Police if not willing to pay NFA tax and registration
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Clear enough?
 

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This legislation is a bigger increment in the Leftists' incrementalist gun control agenda. It's an overreach, and they know it. I just hope no Republican'ts turn traitor.

They won't be able to use any techniques to escape the 60-vote majority, though. The simple majority only works for budget reconciliation. This is more than that.
 

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Someone on another forum was nice enough to sift thru all the verbage in the proposed ‘assault’ weapons ban and boil it down to a short list, including all brands of AKs & ARs. I found it ‘amusing’ that the proposed bill included my Beretta CX4 Storm, Kel Tec Sub2K & Hi Point carbines.

so how does a 32” firearm with an 18” barrel get on a ban list while just about every other easily concealable handgun has more capacity?

And the punchline is that my non-tactical Mini-14 & fixed mag SKS aren’t on the list.
I guess that whoever did their research used flash cards and someone’s first grade class...and concluded that since SKSs have fixed mags they must be loaded like muzzleloaders...
I think that the Demoncrats are just trying to get the "most popular" and "most used" weapons out of the way. Those other weapons will be next, until we are like Europe and MAYBE you can own a "fowling piece" (read GIANT ( I ) shotgun) or a black powder pistol. There's a Czech company that's making KILLER black powder pistols ( https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/czech-50-cal-black-powder-derringer/ ) BUT theyre about 600.00 USD for a derringer. Youd have to look like the Dad from Boondock Saints to properly defend yourself.
 

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Of course :rolleyes: as the bill stands, it likely will pass House, but Senate is the primary problem, because they won't have the 60 votes needed for a filibuster-proof majority. Ita highly probable they'll attempt to backdoor it through "Senate rules change" or some BS.

What is far likelier to get a 60+ vote majority would be the following;
A bill to amend or modify NFA1934/GCA 1968 and FOPA 86
-to add a class of firearms to the NFA taxed firearms classes
-to call this class "Assault Weapons"
-to include all models and variants of ARs and AKs not already covered by SBR/SBS, MG, AOW classes
-to include all the features so described in AWB2.0 proposals
-to require registration of currently owned firearms
-to require payment of tax
-to prohibit making/manufacture without a SOT FFL license of 0-80% receivers and firearms that would be in one of the NFA classes including AWs
-to require surrender or transfer of currently owned AWs to the ATF or local Police if not willing to pay NFA tax and registration
That's not likely to get 60 votes either. I don't think they could get all 50 Democrats.
 

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Its more likely than repealing nfa1934, gca1968 and fopa1986.
I have an idea for new firearms legislation. It's called the National Firearms Act of 2021. The wording would be as follows:

1. a. In keeping with the intent of the Founding Fathers, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed by any law, statute, regulation, rule, code, ordinance or other control mechanism.

b. No citizen or lawful alien shall be deprived of the right to keep and bear arms except during times of lawful confinement in prison or commitment to a mental health facility.

(1) Upon release from prison, a citizen or lawful alien shall have his right to keep and bear arms immediately restored. Any firearms impounded during the term of confinement shall be immediately returned in the condition it was when impounded.

(2) Upon release from confinement in a mental health facility and adjudication of mental soundness, a citizen or lawful alien shall have his right to keep and bear arms immediately restored. Any firearms impounded during the term of confinement shall be immediately returned in the condition it was when impounded.

c. Any federal, state, county, municipal, burrough or other government official attempting to enforce such regulatory scheme shall be punished by a fine amounting to no more than $25,000 and a term of no more than 2 years in a federal prison.

d. Such government official shall also be subject to civil suit from any citizen or lawful alien aggrieved by such unlawful infringement of this statute."
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I know that some will call this extreme and dangerous, but true liberty is not safe. As Benjamin Franklin said (or words close to it), those who would give up their liberty for security deserve neither.
 

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I have an idea for new firearms legislation. It's called the National Firearms Act of 2021. The wording would be as follows:

1. a. In keeping with the intent of the Founding Fathers, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed by any law, statute, regulation, rule, code, ordinance or other control mechanism.

b. No citizen or lawful alien shall be deprived of the right to keep and bear arms except during times of lawful confinement in prison or commitment to a mental health facility.

(1) Upon release from prison, a citizen or lawful alien shall have his right to keep and bear arms immediately restored. Any firearms impounded during the term of confinement shall be immediately returned in the condition it was when impounded.

(2) Upon release from confinement in a mental health facility and adjudication of mental soundness, a citizen or lawful alien shall have his right to keep and bear arms immediately restored. Any firearms impounded during the term of confinement shall be immediately returned in the condition it was when impounded.

c. Any federal, state, county, municipal, burrough or other government official attempting to enforce such regulatory scheme shall be punished by a fine amounting to no more than $25,000 and a term of no more than 2 years in a federal prison.

d. Such government official shall also be subject to civil suit from any citizen or lawful alien aggrieved by such unlawful infringement of this statute."
///////////////////////End of Text////////////////////

I know that some will call this extreme and dangerous, but true liberty is not safe. As Benjamin Franklin said (or words close to it), those who would give up their liberty for security deserve neither.
Taw Jackson got his back after his release from prison. "War Wagon."

Same with Stacey Bridges, and the Carlin boys got theirs tossed to them upon their 1 year prison release. "High Plains Drifter." 😊
 
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Unfortunately the Hi-Point Carbines have been banned in my state for years now or else I'd own one of each caliber!
 

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I could never understand that about the carbines. I thought Hi Point originally designed the carbine to get around the 94' ban?
 

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I could never understand that about the carbines. I thought Hi Point originally designed the carbine to get around the 94' ban?
That is precisely why its on the new ban list as well as being banned in whichever State :rolleyes:

If it were more... ahem.. "conventional" as in walnut and steel with a standard looking hunting rifle stock and the magazine sticking out at an angle.. maybe it would be 50 State Legal. Maybe. Maybe not. Similar to the Mini 30 and Mini 14s, the SKS, and a few others?
 

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es a 32” firearm with an 18” barrel get on a ban list while just about every other easily concealable handgun has more capacity?
It isn't about facts but feelings.
The only 'control' that they really want is to control you.
 

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Ok, if the ban becomes law, what will Hi Point do? Will they redesign to fit the new rules or just scrap the carbine? All the posts about not giving up what we have are well and good for individuals, but manufacturers have to either sell legal products or close their doors.

IMO, a new stock that looks more like a Monte Carlo stock could be designed that would still take a magazine through the grip and use the same barreled action. Alternatively they could move the trigger back and make a magazine in front of the grip set up like a mini 14.

What seems likely?
 

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Ok, if the ban becomes law, what will Hi Point do? Will they redesign to fit the new rules or just scrap the carbine? All the posts about not giving up what we have are well and good for individuals, but manufacturers have to either sell legal products or close their doors.

IMO, a new stock that looks more like a Monte Carlo stock could be designed that would still take a magazine through the grip and use the same barreled action. Alternatively they could move the trigger back and make a magazine in front of the grip set up like a mini 14.

What seems likely?
Are you familiar with the California model?
 
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