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What do you do if an intruder breaks in and you identify them and they are not a family member or friend.....do you wait to see if they have a weapon or do you shoot?
 

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If this person was not invited into my house by either my wife or I then by law they are a threat and I can use lethal force. Shoot first, ask questions later.
 

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wait , but not for long- only because in Ohio, you can only use deadly force if you feel you or another are in immediate danger of serious harm or death (of course if my wife is home, I can claim she had a fear of rape and open fire). Even then, at this time in ohio you have to prove self defense as a positive defense for using deadly force - you can be charged in a self defense shooting, but it rarely happens if you shoot in your house. (but there is a new law they are working on that would fix that - a intrusion into your house would be justification if it passes)
 

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I think we're missing alot of information here. Day or night? Adult, teen, child? What am I weilding? What kind of neighborhood? What kinda of person? I'm usually not one of the people to ask all the details, but gotta have something to work with before I can give an real honest opinion. For example:

13 year old girl standing inside my front door holding on my cat that got out in the middle of the day probably doesn't need to be double tapped...unless she's loaded up on girl scout cookies she was in the process of selling...then it would be a tough one...that's alot of samoas.
 

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wait , but not for long- only because in Ohio, you can only use deadly force if you feel you or another are in immediate danger of serious harm or death (of course if my wife is home, I can claim she had a fear of rape and open fire). Even then, at this time in ohio you have to prove self defense as a positive defense for using deadly force - you can be charged in a self defense shooting, but it rarely happens if you shoot in your house. (but there is a new law they are working on that would fix that - a intrusion into your house would be justification if it passes)
+1 I have a legal obligation in Ohio for now to retreat.
 

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here in Texas I shoot the sob. if he broke in he is posing a threat. that goes for night or day. I know who can come in my house, if it aint them then they better give their soul to Jesus cause their a$$ is mine. and yes I do love Texas
 

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+1 I have a legal obligation in Ohio for now to retreat.
according to the Ohio Concealed carry booklet ( a must read even if you don't have a CC Permit, as it outlines the guidelines for the use of deadly force in Ohio)

(note - I have corrected a wrong link )
http://www.ag.state.oh.us/le/prevention/pubs/cc_booket_20080327.pdf

"In Ohio, there is no duty to retreat from one’s own home. There is no
duty to retreat if there is no manner by which you can retreat safely.
However, being in one’s own home is not a license to use deadly force
against an attacker. The person who is attacked in his own home,
without fault of his own, may stand his ground and use deadly force
only if he reasonably and honestly believed that deadly force was
necessary to prevent serious bodily harm or death. If the person does
not have this belief or he created the confrontation, he cannot use deadly
force and must leave the situation, even if he is in his own home."
 

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You know what I mean lol. Not retreat but I literally have to be backed into a corner. From my understanding of the law if I go hunting for a robber in the middle of the night I am looking to be threatened, that’s different than just being threatened with your life. If someone breaks in my house I will be in my room on the phone with 911, if they enter my room well I consider that being backed into a corner and I won’t have a place to go.

I do have a CCW, if I come home and let’s say someone is visiting for some reason that I don’t get along with. If I start an argument I have to be the one to leave even though it’s my own home. If they start the argument and escalate it then you are permitted to use deadly force. Let’s think about that one though, someone is visiting your home with someone’s permission and you use deadly force even though they escalated the situation it’s going to look pretty bad. Odds of someone being in my home when I get there that’s invited and I might have a reason to use deadly force is about slim to none.

Another scenario, you’re walking through the park and someone come up to you and says give me your wallet. That’s not a sign to use deadly force. Same person says I have a gun I am going to kill you unless you give me your wallet then that’s a reason to use deadly force. Would I draw if I didn't see a gun? I don’t know are there any witnesses to the fact that this guy just threatened my life?

There are a million scenarios that can play out in 50 different states with 50 different sets of laws. Ohio happens to have some real funky one. Did you know when CCW was first passed in Ohio when in a motor vehicle you have to have your weapon on your person in plain sight? You couldn't have it clipped to your seatbelt or on the dash it had to be on you and visible. Imagine that on a motorcycle. The laws have since been changed to full concealment in a vehicle and a few other quarks have been changed but you still must be facing a threat of severe physical harm or death to use deadly force.


Rant over. :D
 

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If you are in my house and shouldn't be you are a dead mofo.
 

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If intruder does not identify themselves, I will say one time, "get on the ground or I will shoot you!" from a concealed position. If the intruder does not identify or comply, contact police so they may call the intruder's next of kin. Intruder will not be in a condition to make said call.
Always remember, cover and concealment are your friend. Move low, move quiet.
 
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starting to really love my state, SC has no duty to retreat and the key words are "officer, IBELIEVED that my family and myself were in great danger"
Here in SC, as in other parts of the country, there is what is called the "Castle Doctrine" If they are uninvited, they can get a feet-first escort out of your home. However, the "Castle Doctrine" is trumped by the retreat clause, when you are in your own (or others) business, make sure that the threat is real when you are confronted at work!!!

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They are working on that here in Ohio. I am hoping it all goes through. Its part way through the process and a few steps away from the gov's desk.
 

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That's not a simple question to answer. In my state we have the castle doctrine, however....

If upon seeing that i am armed and prepared the fire and the BG immediately puts his hands up and surrenders, then no, I wouldn't shoot. If the BG runs, I'm not going to shoot someone in the back. I wouldn't shoot unless the BG say reached came toweard me/family member, started reaching into his clothing, etc. I don't want to have to kill anyone, so I am going to do everything to make sure the person is a legitimate threat to my/other's life before i pull the trigger, however, I can pull it if neccessary.
 

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If it were not a girl scout (LOL Taurus) and I felt there was a threat to me or my family, I would not hesitate to shoot.

Basically, if you need to use my phone or get a jump for your car or your dog is missing, DO NOT break in to my house to inform me of that.

Knock on my door and wait for me to answer.
 

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If it were not a girl scout...
That may be who you watch out for! Especially if she's 8.

Well, first I was gonna pop this guy hanging from the street light, and I realized, y'know, he's just working out. I mean, how would I feel if somebody come runnin' in the gym and bust me in my ass while I'm on the treadmill? Then I saw this snarling beast guy, and I noticed he had a tissue in his hand, and I'm realizing, y'know, he's not snarling, he's sneezing. Y'know, ain't no real threat there. Then I saw little Tiffany. I'm thinking, y'know, eight-year-old white girl, middle of the ghetto, bunch of monsters, this time of night with quantum physics books? She about to start some shit, Zed. She's about eight years old, those books are WAY too advanced for her. If you ask me, I'd say she's up to something. And to be honest, I'd appreciate it if you eased up off my back about it.
 

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I live in a low income project while going through college, so I wouldn't hesitate. I have too many hopes dreams and ambitions to pass up to give some one in the wrong a chance to take what I work hard for every day. I also have my apt. locked up like fort Knox if I am home or not so if some one is in side, they forcibly entered and need to be considered a threat. If it was a child during the day I would not shoot, but would explain to the parents that if it happens again it might happen and if I have the death of a child on my hands because of the parents negligence I just might snap and kill them too!!
By the way, It sounds like I need to move to Texas!!!
 
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