Ok, we're looking for a new laptop. It will be our main computer for the family. The wife and my oldest daughter also have Kindle Fires. Looking to stay around $500 Found 2 I am interested in. Both have Windows 8. Definitely don't want 10. There's Refurbished HP Pavilion 17-f113dx Intel Core i5 17.3" HD+ LED, BeatsAudio Win 8.1 Notebook - for $429 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Refurbished-HP-Pavilion-17-f113dx-Intel-Core-i5-17.3-HD-LED-BeatsAudio-Win-8.1-Notebook/46526350#about Or Toshiba Jet Black 17.3" Satellite C75D-B7215 Laptop PC with AMD A8-6410 Quad-Core Processor, 8GB Memory, 1TB Hard Drive and Windows 8.1 for $390 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Toshiba-Jet-Black-17.3-Satellite-C75D-B7215-Laptop-PC-with-AMD-A8-6410-Quad-Core-Processor-8GB-Memory-1TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-8.1/36998831 Not necessarily concerned about Toshiba vs HP. Don't hate HP, have really liked out Toshiba, but it's like 7 years old. Hard drive isn't a concern, we never come close to filling it It will mainly be used for checking in here, using Facebook, etc....not serious gaming. It's not a media center. We do occasionally use it to play music- CDs, YouTube, etc... Really, the biggest difference I care about is the processor and RAM The HP has an Intel Core i5-4210U Processor with 4GB DDR3L SDRAM The Toshiba has AMD A8-6410 Quad-Core processor 2.0GHz with 8GB DDR3 SDRAM I know that the 8 GB RAM is obviously better than the 4GB.....but I have always heard in general that Intel makes better processors than AMD. I don't know if the AMD is a higher level that the Intel. Like, I believe the i5 is a mid grade Intel. Is the AMD A8 the top of the line for AMD? Realistically, for what we will be using it for, does it matter? The Toshiba is $40 cheaper.