[Dubar]

My SIL recently purchased a PSA Dagger, he was telling me you have to rack the slide in order to set the trigger. What I mean is unless you rack the slide, the trigger normally sits in the fired position.

That made me curious because my FMK 9c1G2 is the only other pistol I know of that does the same thing.

Looking at both pistols, is there enough similarity:

PSA Dagger

FMK 9c1G2

Maybe, maybe not. The takedown bar looks the same, the trigger pin and location, the rail under the barrel, sure. But the frame and slide don't...could have been redesigned by PSA. Wonder if the fire control system is the same?

I haven't seen his Dagger yet but I told him we ought to do a side-by-side comparison.

The FMK was a Glock 19 clone, so it's possible PSA purchased the rights from FMK and did some redesign on it.

Here's the FMK un-cocked to show the position of the trigger:

 

[OldOutlaw]

Similarity does make you wonder.

 

[lklawson]

I thought it was supposed to be a glock-off. Doesn't it take G3 parts? Drop in a G3 trigger, put on a G3 slide, etc.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[adam01364]

I agree with Kirk.

 

[Dubar]

I thought it was supposed to be a glock-off. Doesn't it take G3 parts? Drop in a G3 trigger, put on a G3 slide, etc.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

That's what they're saying, the Dagger is a G3 clone. But so was the FMK, a clone of the 19. Maybe that's why they're so similar. Not sure how the G19 and G3 compare.

 

[lklawson]

That's what they're saying, the Dagger is a G3 clone. But so was the FMK, a clone of the 19.

The MSRP of the two are nearly the same. $379 for the Dagger, $350 for the FMK.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[backbencher]

Does the FMK take Glock mags? That's the interesting thing about the PSA to me - other than the S&W trigger design, it's a straight up Glock Gen 3 clone. And the trigger bits can be swapped out.

ETA: I see the FMK does not take Glock mags, which is why I never paid attention to it before.

The Glock trigger does not reset until the slide cycles.

 

[Dubar]

Does the FMK take Glock mags? That's the interesting thing about the PSA to me - other than the S&W trigger design, it's a straight up Glock Gen 3 clone. And the trigger bits can be swapped out.

ETA: I see the FMK does not take Glock mags, which is why I never paid attention to it before.

The Glock trigger does not reset until the slide cycles.

Well, that explains the FMK and PSA triggers then!!!

I don't own any real Glocks so same here.

I like the size and feel of the FMK, it would be perfect if it had a Canik TP9 trigger in it!!! The DOA trigger it came with sucked, but I replaced it with their 804 trigger and it's much better but still not Canik better. Or if it had the Taurus TX22 trigger!!!

I'll have to check to see if a Glock trigger can be put in, how are their triggers anyway?

 

[TNTRAILERTRASH]

Just buy a Canik. I forget which trigger bar my brother put in his Gen4 G19. It was a "file fit." Best danged trigger on a Glock I've ever shot. There is some drop in triggers. Just get out your check book. That trigger is hinged on the Dagger. Not a Glock style trigger. Looks like the one on my Gen1 Shield. That Shield trigger isn't the best. Finger placement is paramount with accuracy. In a "Oh shit" situation with any distance it could work against you.Not saying the PSA trigger would.

I have an injury on my right hand from a MVA in 1981. The puny little mag button sucks for me. The 4's, and 5's no problem!

 

[undeRGRound]

The FMK was a Glock 19 clone, so it's possible PSA purchased the rights from FMK and did some redesign on it.
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How could FMK sell something they purchased (or STOLE) from Glock?

:rotfl:



My G30 also does the same thing, as well as all my glunks.

 

[TNTRAILERTRASH]

How could FMK sell something they purchased (or STOLE) from Glock?

:rotfl:



My G30 also does the same thing, as well as all my glunks.

How many different 1911's are there? How many CZ pistol clones? Once the patent is so old they are open for cloning..

 

[backbencher]

How could FMK sell something they purchased (or STOLE) from Glock?

:rotfl:

My G30 also does the same thing, as well as all my glunks.

All of Glock's Gen 3 patents are expired, and only California's pistol registry is keeping the production lines open for Gen 3s. So the door is wide open to Gen 3 clones. Unlike when S&W tried it w/ the Sigma, w/ a near exact copy of the Glock bbl, and had to start paying Glock royalties on every Sigma sold.

Glock triggers go from stock to Timney.

 

[Dubar]

Just buy a Canik

Already done back in May 2020 BWAHOHOHO 🎅

 

[lklawson]

Just buy a Canik.

When are they going to make a competitor for the Sig P365

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[TNTRAILERTRASH]

When are they going to make a competitor for the Sig P365

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Doubt they will. I'm liking the feel of the TP9SC. Have one in tungsten slide. All black is on order $374 shipped. No tax. Also have a METE on order 4.47" barrel!

 

[undeRGRound]

When are they going to make a competitor for the Sig P365

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

G43x seems to be one. If you use the Shield Arms magazines

 

[ajole]

G43x seems to be one. If you use the Shield Arms magazines

Except that still has a Glock trigger, is 3/4 inches taller and a half inch longer. And you have to buy someone else’s mags to even pretend to be in the same game.

So NOT actually made to be a competitor. It might compete with the Shield…

 

[undeRGRound]

Except that still has a Glock trigger, is 3/4 inches taller and a half inch longer. And you have to buy someone else’s mags to even pretend to be in the same game.

So NOT actually made to be a competitor. It might compete with the Shield…

But the glunk-tards around here think it's the only way to go.
I prefer Sig too... Honest Outlaw dolled up a 43x over a year ago and it runs very well.

Yes, on sizes, I was comparing to the 365xl I guess. Which is what I'm looking to get eventually

 

[backbencher]

When are they going to make a competitor for the Sig P365

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

That's an interesting problem for Glock, since they use steel lined polymer magazines on all their pistols, which necessitates a thick magazine for the capacity. It originated as a service pistol, and is reaching the limits it can be scaled down to using the original design principles. When they chamber .30 SC, it would make sense for them to use all metal mags given the attributes of .30 SC. Or they may continue to allow the aftermarket to solve that problem for them, as they did w/ the 43X & 48. A 43 in .30 SC w/ metal mags would be competitive, I think. The Shield Plus in .30 SC is top in capacity for subcompacts at the moment.

 

[undeRGRound]

That's an interesting problem for Glock, since they use steel lined polymer magazines on all their pistols, which necessitates a thick magazine for the capacity. It originated as a service pistol, and is reaching the limits it can be scaled down to using the original design principles. When they chamber .30 SC, it would make sense for them to use all metal mags given the attributes of .30 SC. Or they may continue to allow the aftermarket to solve that problem for them, as they did w/ the 43X & 48. A 43 in .30 SC w/ metal mags would be competitive, I think. The Shield Plus in .30 SC is top in capacity for subcompacts at the moment.

I'd love to see triple stack magazines but it's maybe a bigger engineering hurdle than a quad stack... might take a dedicated frame to do it