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This is what Glenn suggests we require any one running for Congress to pledge support if we are to vote for them.

Insanity? No this is one of the sanest things Ive ever read;

To Congress, The 5 Pledges

1. I believe in a balanced budget and therefore will vote for a freeze in government spending until that goal is realized.

2. I believe government should not increase the financial burden on its citizenry during a difficult economic times, therefore I will oppose all tax increases until our economy has rebounded.

3. I believe more than four decades of US dependence on foreign oil is a travesty, therefore I will support an energy plan that calls for immediately increasing usage of all domestic resources including nuclear energy, natural gas and coal as necessary.

4. I believe in the sovereignty and security of our country and therefore will support measures to close our borders except for designated immigration points so we will know who is entering and why. I will vehemently oppose any measure giving another country, the United Nations, or any other entity power over US citizens.

5. I believe the United States of America is the greatest country on earth and therefore will no apologize for policies or actions which have served to free more and feed more people around the world than any other nation on the planet.
 

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The only problem is that all politicans lie. Now if they have to sign and agree to resign if we the voters deem that they have not kept there pledge / promise then OK. They all take a pledge to uphold the Constitution and that means nothing to them. I do NOT trust them, period! :mad:
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the best that beck could hope to accomplish is to get a ton of politicians to promise that they will do the things he wants. but everyone knows that those lying bastards won't keep any promises....
I am invoking my right to be a grouchy old man here just a bit.

Not all are lying bastards. The ones that are honest,like any one else in difficult situations, need support which we the people have been very remiss in providing. Far too long we have let others do the hard work. Things must change.

Lying evil bastards reveal themselves far too easily for there to be any doubt if you do your homework. No one is perfect and dont look now that includes us and the people we elect, the marvelous thing about our constituon is it works even where people are imperfect. So we need to get off our self centered asses and do it.

You have been wanting a direction, here is a good one so stop your whining and take it.

Go to Glenn's web site for a printable copy of this pledge and MAIL it to your Congressmen or potentials and make your point clear and respectful.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/29864/

Now lets get to work or lose this republic.
 

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I am invoking my right to be a grouchy old man here just a bit.
i can respect that.

Not all are lying bastards.
i must respectfully disagree. name one
I will do better than that I will prove it true.

After over 210 years you still can breathe free air, not possible without some honest people. If all were evil the chains on you would be so heavy there would be no illusion of freedom possible. Now the chains we carry are our own, fear, cynicism, isolation, and hopelessness all are yours to shed. If you insist on continuing in the slavery then so be it. But if you continue those chains will be real, placed there by a nearly all powerful state to remain for some unknown time.

Many reject such self imposed slavery and it is they who may save this republic, I can only claim to be trying to get rid of my own chains so that in some small way help. Sit on the sidelines if you wish since after all its still a free country for a little while.

Sometimes followers must give hope to leaders.
 

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GLENN BECK FOR PRESIDENT!!!! :yay!: :yay!: :yay!:
Maybe someone like Glenn or at least awake to what this country means.
 

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I will do better than that I will prove it true.

After over 210 years you still can breathe free air, not possible without some honest people. If all were evil the chains on you would be so heavy there would be no illusion of freedom possible. Now the chains we carry are our own, fear, cynicism, isolation, and hopelessness all are yours to shed. If you insist on continuing in the slavery then so be it. But if you continue those chains will be real, placed there by a nearly all powerful state to remain for some unknown time.

Many reject such self imposed slavery and it is they who may save this republic, I can only claim to be trying to get rid of my own chains so that in some small way help. Sit on the sidelines if you wish since after all its still a free country for a little while.

Sometimes followers must give hope to leaders.
i meant name one current politician
No.

I will not play that game. You either acknowledge the truth or you do not.
 

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No.

I will not play that game. You either acknowledge the truth or you do not.
ok, i will acknowledge that there are no honest politicians and none worth trusting. i agree that there may have been some in the past. but that time is gone. nowadays, no politician is worth trusting with anything
Then I guess we wont have your help. Enjoy the show.
 

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For the rest of us as example the only representative I have that I consider honest is Doctor Cassidy. He doesn't vote like I would always like him to but neither is he a lying evil bastard like one of my Senators. Ive seen him in two town halls and he gives honest answers if not what I always wish to hear. He will be getting most of my attention to insure he knows who he represents and support is conditional.

The rest can be replaced although they will also get letters in hopes they at least steer clear of the worst, if they get enough letters that is guys. Send this to yours let them know we are getting organized in at least some common ground.
 

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If Ron is your representative that is what I am talking about. Sent the pledge to him as well as the others but pay close attention to him. You most likely already know who you wont elect. But this will send a message to even those you dislike for who knows maybe something will awaken even in them.

Of course there are several items each of us would like to see on the pledge but this is enough for now. If we could get this much it would buy us time to do more. As for the cynics and those that would call you names remember you are not doing this for only yourself but for your present and future children and lets face it, we all have a debt to pay to keep our republic.

We may only get one chance at this, one mid-term election may well determine our future.
 

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The answer is simple,

Replace your politicians with your representatives. We put them there it is our doings. But then some may argue by logic to "prove" it impossible and there is no hope.

Why insist on proceeding to destroy one of the most valuable of thoughts in all the world?

This country is not a place, it is an idea and if belief in the thought dies so does the country.

Country, Republic one and the same. If our Republic has failed then there is little to fight for outside of survival, such a world to pass on to those that follow us is our choice?

The Republic must work we have no other moral possibility. Friends that is hard work to achieve. In fact the most difficult path.

None may not know the exact path to that end but we may try what has worked before in dire times. Get together and talk to people that love this idea of a free Republic, are willing to learn how and willing to do the work. You may not agree with every one of them, its unimportant, you know they love the same idea and that will bond Americans every time.

Unified Americans have shaken the world, will this same people choose not to save the most valuable idea in the world? Are we that stupid?
 

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"It's gotta start some place, It's gotta start some time. What better place than here? What better time than now?"
The call to action? Excellent thought, perhaps enough will see that with action there will be no need of the call to arms?
 

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"It's gotta start some place, It's gotta start some time. What better place than here? What better time than now?"
The call to action? Excellent thought, perhaps enough will see that with action there will be no need of the call to arms?
Not yet.
Got Hope? It makes a mind good.
 

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I hope all things work out the best they can one way or the other. If at all possible I rely wouldnt want Americans shooting at each other.
I agree, we tried that once, we are way to good at it to spar against each other. Soapbox-Ballot box-Jury box-Cartridge box, there are very good reasons for that order as long as all options remain in tact.
 

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I hope all things work out the best they can one way or the other. If at all possible I rely wouldn't want Americans shooting at each other.
I agree, we tried that once, we are way to good at it to spar against each other. Soapbox-Ballot box-Jury box-Cartridge box, there are very good reasons for that order as long as all options remain in tact.
I have been thinking about this allot lately. I understand that some people are conservative and some people are liberal. We cant both be right about everything obviously so we cant both be wrong. Indeed there are some insane retarded whack job liberals out there. You will agree with that. There are also some equally disturbed conservatives out there. Examples being people like Timothy McVeigh, The KKK and there are are others. But my point is that even i we disagree o things it would b foolish of one side to let the other have too much power. I understand that you think currently the liberals have too much power. But 2 years ago I would have said the same thing of the conservatives. Admitidly given the opportunity some liberals would strip you of some rights. You may disagree but I know for sure the same of allot of conservatives. Point being if everyone was completely on one side or the other this country would be allot worse off for allot of people. I'm willing to admit right now that some ideas different than mine are probably completely right. But I am also willing to bet that allot of liberal ideas are right too. Is there anyone else willing to admit that they could be wrong and the other side cold be right? Just something allot of people should think about before they get too trigger happy with the revolution stuff.

Edited for spelling.
There is a vocabulary problem when discussing left vs right. Erroneously we place communists/socialists at the far left while Fascists are placed at the far right. THIS IS WRONG.
Those ends are in reality the same condition the diminishing of the individuals right to property and liberty which are indeed the same thing. The Weather Underground is not different than McVey, they are the same disease. Anarchy will destroy liberty just as easily as tyranny destroys it.

There is the building realization in this current "conservative" movement that we are better off with a hands off approach to government. Just as liberty cannot be legislated to prevent immorality, property cannot be legislated to insure the absence of poverty. One cannot be separated from the other, liberty is self-control of your life and property.

Simple isnt it?

I am seeing fear on politicians faces that I have never seen before. There is good reason there are no political leaders of this Tea Party movement, they are all scared to death of it.

Last week there was one of the largest gathering of protesters in history at Washington and "they" are all pretending it didnt happen. The President even left town entirely, dont think that was coincidence. The former mainstream (fringe now) media is acting like its all a bad dream that will go away if they dont talk about it. Something is happening and it is without precedence in modern American history.

Beck gathered and displayed proof the debt is being monetized yesterday. Even to the point of tracking down a particular 5 Billion dollar bond that is now owned by the Federal Reserve, debt purchased with printed money, disaster in the making. He has also shown proof positive the administration covered up the cost of Cap and Trade. Not logic, documented proof. Where is the neo-fringe(former mainstream) media on these matters?

Are these the actions of a crazy man?

No, he may get emotional but he aint crazy. And funny thing is he doesnt seem to be letting this get to his ego, time will tell.
 

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from a reasonable persons standpoint
umm...i thought you knew, these don't exist anymore
You guys dont get to define reasonable any longer.
 

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Glenn Beck is all about the $$$$. I wouldn't say he's any more or less credible than any of the other folks that stir up shat in order to keep people glued to their channel on the TV, buying their books, or joining their websites.
now there is a reasonable person.
No its just yet another person like yourself that does not have a clue and inserts his own perverse outlook on life to justify his own inaction and cheapen the efforts of others.
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Some people get carried away with the emotion of it all. Perhaps a better tactic would be to actually find out for yourself whats happening instead of guessing.

And BTW BO knew that gathering was going to be in DC long before he made arrangements to be out of town. Nothing is an accident.
 

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And BTW BO knew that gathering was going to be in DC long before he made arrangements to be out of town. Nothing is an accident.
Source?
Been on Fox since last March, unless you want to pretend they dont know whats happening on the leading news channel in the country. His arrangements to go to a BOCare rally of course was not made until recently since his plan called for its passage in July.

Sean: As for getting your news from a gun dealer, find a better outlet. That business is full of some very sleazy people even if the gun community itself is pretty decent.
 

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And BTW BO knew that gathering was going to be in DC long before he made arrangements to be out of town. Nothing is an accident.
Source?
Been on Fox since last March, unless you want to pretend they dont know whats happening on the leading news channel in the country. His arrangements to go to a BOCare rally of course was not made until recently since his plan called for its passage in July.

Sean: As for getting your news from a gun dealer, find a better outlet. That business is full of some very sleazy people even if the gun community itself is pretty decent.
Well, ok. Maybe Obama knew about it. And I think that the most reasonable reason that he wasn't in town was because he was afraid that the will of the Tea Baggers at that very moment with all of their screaming and sign waving would disintegrate him and instantly turn the nation into a conservative utopia. There's also the possibility that he didn't give a hoot. Who knows...
Try using logic instead of sarcasm and insult sometimes, any one can do that.

Judging from his actions BO is VERY aware of whats happening and has no idea how to deal with it even making the same mistakes LBJ and Nixon made dealing with civil outrage.

Im not complaining all he is doing is driving more people into the movement.
 
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