[Foolsgold39]

Alright team,

@adam01364
@magnut

You heard the title. From the thread that everyone and their mother seems to hate we were talking about the flaming train wreck that is an L9. I would like to continue that discussion here and hopefully some other folks with experience with that platform will jump in.

Let's talk L9's (my shrink would classify this as a desprite call for help).

Janky grip. Janky material interaction. Functionally smoothbore. Propensity to attack its user. Let's trouble shoot this pos into the prettiest bell of the ball.

Magnut, you mentioned better buffers. What have you tried so far. Please note I've never even seen an L9 in real like much less field striped one, so I'm talking firmly out of my a$$ here.

My first thought is a thick supple treated cut of leather as an easy to source buffer. The Soviets did something similar with their brrrrrt guns during the bad old days of ww2.

Anyway, hope everyone is doing well and still enjoying holiday time with friends and family.

Regards,
Foolsgold39

 

[ajole]

For those of us that live in the real world...

Maybe you should define what an L9 is. I'm guessing a Lorcin? Maybe in 9 mm? Don't care enough to do a search.

 

[adam01364]

Lorcin L9 <shudder>

If you handle one, you can catch a communicable disease that makes Ebola look like a head cold.

Kirk will like it because it looks kinda like a space gun.

 

[magnut]

Alright team,

@adam01364
@magnut

You heard the title. From the thread that everyone and their mother seems to hate we were talking about the flaming train wreck that is an L9. I would like to continue that discussion here and hopefully some other folks with experience with that platform will jump in.

Let's talk L9's (my shrink would classify this as a desprite call for help).

Janky grip. Janky material interaction. Functionally smoothbore. Propensity to attack its user. Let's trouble shoot this pos into the prettiest bell of the ball.

Magnut, you mentioned better buffers. What have you tried so far. Please note I've never even seen an L9 in real like much less field striped one, so I'm talking firmly out of my a$$ here.

My first thought is a thick supple treated cut of leather as an easy to source buffer. The Soviets did something similar with their brrrrrt guns during the bad old days of ww2.

Anyway, hope everyone is doing well and still enjoying holiday time with friends and family.

Regards,
Foolsgold39

There is already a buffer but it clealy isnt enough. Its basically a heavy spring inside the recoil spring. Might be as simple as a double layered recoil spring setup with alternating swists. I dont like just upping the recoil spring tension though as it just slams the slide forward and induces damage on the return. There is not realy enough room for something like a buffertech style buffer that rides the slide.... So whatever I try is going to have to replace the exhisting buffer. I am still trying to get my head around it. I tried this with the Lorcin LT25 and couldnt make it work.... not yet anyways.

 

[magnut]

Might be better to up the slide mass first. Lorcin slide comes in at 1lb 2oz where as the old C9 fixed sight slide is 1lb 7oz. Be nice if I could get the lorcin slide up to around. 1lb 4-5oz but its kind of rounded and doesnt have real flat sides.

 

[Foolsgold39]

Ajole,

Your acute powers of observation continue to impress. Yes a lorcin 9. The fact that it is in the lorcin sub section is contextual clue. As is the number 9. As is the fact that we were talking about it previously in the other thread as mentioned right in the OP. A thread I know from your shit posting you have actually read and posted in. Good job.

Here is a ditigal cookie. Not sure how valuable it is in the real world, but it's all I can offer you.

Now, feel free to s%;it post in the other thread if you would like, but out to respect to the poor adam who I believe moderates this section let's keep it all in one thread.

Regards,
Foolsgold39

 

[ajole]

Mill out some holes and fill with lead slugs?
They'd last a few shots before they got smashed out of shape and fell out.

Maybe figure out a way to extend the slide forward by screwing/pinning something on?

Sort of like the Hi Point COMP, but connected to the slide rather than the barrel.

 

[Foolsgold39]

Lorcin L9 <shudder>

If you handle one, you can catch a communicable disease that makes Ebola look like a head cold.

Kirk will like it because it looks kinda like a space gun.
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Adam,

Ha! That's funny! Wear gloves, check! What can I say, I'm a gluten for punishment. The more hopeless the firearm the more interesting it is to me.

 

[Foolsgold39]

Ajole,

Mill out some holes and fill with lead slugs?
They'd last a few shots before they got smashed out of shape and fell out.

Maybe figure out a way to extend the slide forward by screwing/pinning something on?

Sort of like the Hi Point COMP, but connected to the slide rather than the barrel.

That's a clever and interesting idea. Thank you.

Regards,
Foolsgold39

 

[ajole]

Ajole,

Your acute powers of observation continue to impress. Yes a lorcin 9. The fact that it is in the lorcin sub section is contextual clue. As is the number 9. As is the fact that we were talking about it previously in the other thread as mentioned right in the OP. A thread I know from your shit posting you have actually read and posted in. Good job.

Here is a ditigal cookie. Not sure how valuable it is in the real world, but it's all I can offer you.

Now, feel free to s%;it post in the other thread if you would like, but out to respect to the poor adam who I believe moderates this section let's keep it all in one thread.

Regards,
Foolsgold39

Notice how Adam just answered my question? And Magnut and I managed to post without rancor?

And why the freak would I actually READ that other thread? It was posing a stupid scenario that was irrational, illogical, impossible...and that is just the science, that isn't even talking about the lizard people. Heck, my mom WAS Ms. Bigfoot 1961, dude.

I wasn't being snarky, I was asking for clarity. God knows that is lacking lately, in all parts of life.
Cool yer jets. And thanks for the cookie.

 

[Foolsgold39]

Ajole,

Apologies. No snark. It can be hard to read tone in written posts. I guess I choose to interpret it with malice that wasn't there. So, my bad.

Yes the other thread is illogical but it's honestly supposed to be fun. I'm disappointed that there has been so much drama in it.

I'm also insanely jealous that your mother was miss big foot 1961. That's awesome.

Regads,
Foolsgold39

Notice how Adam just answered my question? And Magnut and I managed to post without rancor?

And why the freak would I actually READ that other thread? It was posing a stupid scenario that was irrational, illogical, impossible...and that is just the science, that isn't even talking about the lizard people. Heck, my mom WAS Ms. Bigfoot 1961, dude.

I wasn't being snarky, I was asking for clarity. God knows that is lacking lately, in all parts of life.
Cool yer jets. And thanks for the cookie.

 

[ajole]

All good. And I DO like the looks of that Lorcin. Grips almost as pretty as a CZ52.

 

[Foolsgold39]

All good. And I DO like the looks of that Lorcin. Grips almost as pretty as a CZ52.

Ajole,

Its neat looking right? Very retro futureish if that makes any sense.

Yes, I really like that cz. It to is mechanically a glorious mess.

 

[magnut]

Mill out some holes and fill with lead slugs?
They'd last a few shots before they got smashed out of shape and fell out.

Maybe figure out a way to extend the slide forward by screwing/pinning something on?

Sort of like the Hi Point COMP, but connected to the slide rather than the barrel.

Thats actually a trick class 3 guys used to do to mac 11s to slow down the rate of fire before all the Lage stuff came about. They would drill out the bolt in areas and put in tungsten to up the weight.

Extending the slide is a good idea. Maybe run arms down the side of the slide to add extra stability. This is actually why I add fake compentators to tokarevs sometimes .... adds slide mass and slows down cycle time.

Hard thing is keeping something like that attatched to zamak. Slide momentum would most likely strip out the screws in short order and things would get loose.

Another way to slow down slide speed is porting but Zamak doesnt do real great with that kind of high heat. I did see a ported L9 once at a show but it was most likely a home job.

I think I am going to play around with the striker spring first. Maybe modify the slide for some steel stock for weight. If I can get it to short cycle (unlikely) then Can lighten up on the recoil spring and dial it in. Buffer has to factor in this as well.

Could be smart about it and just bore out the barrel to oversize it but that wouldnt be much fun. HKVP70z kind of went that route. The rifleling it extremely deep to vent more gas and keep the pressure down.

 

[Foolsgold39]

Thats actually a trick class 3 guys used to do to mac 11s to slow down the rate of fire before all the Lage stuff came about. They would drill out the bolt in areas and put in tungsten to up the weight.

Extending the slide is a good idea. Maybe run arms down the side of the slide to add extra stability. This is actually why I add fake compentators to tokarevs sometimes .... adds slide mass and slows down cycle time.

Hard thing is keeping something like that attatched to zamak. Slide momentum would most likely strip out the screws in short order and things would get loose.

Another way to slow down slide speed is porting but Zamak doesnt do real great with that kind of high heat. I did see a ported L9 once at a show but it was most likely a home job.

I think I am going to play around with the striker spring first. Maybe modify the slide for some steel stock for weight. If I can get it to short cycle (unlikely) then Can lighten up on the recoil spring and dial it in. Buffer has to factor in this as well.

Could be smart about it and just bore out the barrel to oversize it but that wouldnt be much fun. HKVP70z kind of went that route. The rifleling it extremely deep to vent more gas and keep the pressure down.

Huh, didn't know that about the mac's. Makes sense they have an insane rate of fire.

To extend and weight the slide I agree, I not think screws will work. I'm thinking about rivits, though I think that's going to be a lot of work and have some unintended consequences. Unless they are really stupid snug I think it's going to stretch the hole in the slide and trash it. I'm also thinking more about the epoxy we talked about in the other thread. Perhaps in addition to the rivits we could dimple the slide to aid the epoxy in holding the new extension.

Anybody know how hard it would be to replace the barrel? Get an oversized barrel blank, mill/cut it to fit. Leave an extension to thread for the muzzle break?

Final off the wall thought for the moment. Many of the polymer 460 Rowland guns have extra heavy monolithic rear sights to slow the slide rate. Maybe something like this would work. Maybe a steel weaver rail to mount an optic which would also add weight.

It would be insanely awesome to get one of the worst guns ever running well enough to shoot a match with it. This is actually one of my long term goals. Do a three gun match with the worst possible choices and get them mildly competitive.

Regards,
Foolsgold39

 

[magnut]

Huh, didn't know that about the mac's. Makes sense they have an insane rate of fire.

To extend and weight the slide I agree, I not think screws will work. I'm thinking about rivits, though I think that's going to be a lot of work and have some unintended consequences. Unless they are really stupid snug I think it's going to stretch the hole in the slide and trash it. I'm also thinking more about the epoxy we talked about in the other thread. Perhaps in addition to the rivits we could dimple the slide to aid the epoxy in holding the new extension.

Anybody know how hard it would be to replace the barrel? Get an oversized barrel blank, mill/cut it to fit. Leave an extension to thread for the muzzle break?

Final off the wall thought for the moment. Many of the polymer 460 Rowland guns have extra heavy monolithic rear sights to slow the slide rate. Maybe something like this would work. Maybe a steel weaver rail to mount an optic which would also add weight.

It would be insanely awesome to get one of the worst guns ever running well enough to shoot a match with it. This is actually one of my long term goals. Do a three gun match with the worst possible choices and get them mildly competitive.

Regards,
Foolsgold39

You win a three gun with a lorcin and your Jedi master status.

Yeah... Rowland uses those big blocks for mass to slow things down when he cant comp it enough. Drill and tapping something to the top would definitly be better in terms of things losening up. I like the rail idea becuse you could just use old scope rings with steel pipe and make weights. Since lorcin sights are basically useless you could just aim though the pipe.

I would try mounting tape instead of epoxy these days. The 3m VHB industrial strenth stuff is crazy stong if you apply it right and is a lot cleaner than glues. I didnt believe it until I started useing it. I use it for placeing insertion stops on extended magazines. I did some tests early on and could not remove it without a wood chisel and hammer. Tore up the surfaces getting it off too.

Lorcin L9s are not the worst gun ever. They can run pretty well they just dont hold up long term in a few areas. I dont mind people getting them I just try to let folks know what they are in for so they are not buying blind. I actually get more ticked off at the LT25 and riverside lorcin L25 than I do at the L9.

Jennings 9 is the real "piss you off" SNS. Its almost overwhelming trying to solve its issues. Kind of like the pheonix HP22.

Dont tell anyone... I think Lorcin L9s are cool as heck. I will deny I said that if anyone asks though. They are a hard core 1980s SNS. L22 is a cool little pistol as well.... lots of things to deal with on those as well... a few I am still working on. L22 is probably my favorite pocket 22 in terms of ergonomics. The 9rd magazine is also a cool little design. Lorcin L32 and mira loma zamak frame L25s are the best out of the box IMO.

Anyways.. back to the L9.... they suck LOL. Pimp and thug tactical wannabee guns.

 

[adam01364]

L22 runs great as long as the pin holding the extractor claw does it's job... which it doesn't. Oh, yeah, and the mag is a POS.

But I've got them to work really good with a Titan II mag and a Phoenix HP22 barrel.

 

[adam01364]

BTW, if you ever come across a Lorcin L9, you might get stymied trying to remove the slide. There's a button in the back that has to be pushed in, and then the slide lifts off kinda like a Hi-Point.

 

[magnut]

L22 runs great as long as the pin holding the extractor claw does it's job... which it doesn't. Oh, yeah, and the mag is a POS.

But I've got them to work really good with a Titan II mag and a Phoenix HP22 barrel.
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Try a small role pin on that extractor pin If your still having that pin rise up. It will stay put. I put a drop of locktite gel (aka vibratight) on the top once installed.

My problem is the bottom peg on the right grip pannel always snaps and the grip slides up and contacts the slide inducing malfunctions. Happens every time.

The safety is absolutely horid as well. Its about as durable as a potato chip. I just leave it off. Great , great ergos for me though. I wish it was a 25acp. I would figure out a good barrel substitute and probably carry it once in a while for a bug.

 

[OldOutlaw]

Me thinks I will stay with my Smith & Wesson's, Ruger's, and Glock's.
They just work and keep on working.