I was in the lgs today and i heard the 2 guys behind the counter talking about a customers pistol that was going back to a certain brazillian gun manufacturer and i heard one of them say "I would rather have a hi point!" This naturally drew me in and we stood and discussed the bargain pistol. for a while. we concluded that we all liked the carbine better than the pistol but that the pistol was good and generally reliable. They said that they have sent in more than a few hipoints for repair but they are returned to their owners in better than when they left condition. A condition not replicated by other pricier manufacturers. I did notice 1 thing both of these guys were in their mid 20s and most of the people i have ever seen be critical of the hp are older 40+ Is this something anyone else has noticed?