Made a medium sized low profile backpack

Discussion in 'Hiking, Hunting, Camping Equipment and Accessories' started by CamoDeafie, Apr 26, 2020.

  1. Made this. Fits 3 frames, can be used frameless. Has a Queen/King sized pillow in the body to show just how low profile it is. About 1700 cubic inches in main body, and 105 cubic inches on the lid pocket. I need to acquire cord lock/cord adjuster toggle thing. Fits U shaped MOLLE Medium frame as shown, with velcro retain straps for the top pieces. Next post will show ALICE and FILBE frames, as well as some details
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  2. ALICE and FILBE frame and detail shots of lid area 20200426_165429.jpg 20200426_165511.jpg 20200426_165522.jpg 20200426_165925.jpg 20200426_165356.jpg 20200426_165403.jpg 20200426_165935.jpg 20200426_165945.jpg
     
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  3. ajole

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    You need more flap on the top, to actually cover the entire opening completely and securely.
    I'd even put small detachable straps on the corners that go against your back, maybe only 3-6 inches, no need to go to the bottom of the bag there; to help the sides of the cover stay in place.

    And your top pocket is all set to lose things all up and down the trail, it's upside down and gravity will not help you. I'd use smaller straps there too, those big honking buckles are overkill.

    But I sort of like the design. It IS small, and flat to your back. The frames look like overkill though...it CAN'T get that heavy, can it?
     
  4. JeezLouise

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    Great job, you have skills there. What does the outfit weigh? Waterproof?
     
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  5. The flap's top panel is actually bigger than the bag perimeter by a few inches; I did think about sewing those two corners seen on the frame side to the back panel; but with all the layers of webbing and fabric in that area, it was a no go for now. May figure something else later. Seems the 500D FR coated fabric doesn't like this thread much ; so likely I will get new thread thats actually thick enough and it should work better.
    As for the lid pocket? That was the very first time I've ever added a pocket to a pack flap. I normally go for just MOLLE and no lid pockets. It was a bitch to get the corners down on the lid itself, unlike any of my gear... which is quite strange.

    Weight? Too much for its size ;) water resistant, as its got Flame Retardant coating on the backside.
     
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  6. Oh yeah @ajole ; it CAN get heavy if ya lug ammo in cans or bins, or lots of canteens, or radio batteries, or... ya get the idea lol. Wool blankets and army shelter halves probably would make it weighty..
     
  7. Revised it a bit by removing the lid pouch itself, and cleaning up the stitches from the lid. Added a white barrel cord toggle, even though its not quite "tactical" ;) stuffed another pillow in there.. test fit a Woodland Sustainment Pouch that has an 1980s ECW Parka with liner in it; on one side, and a TT Medium Utility Pouch on opposite side.
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  8. Dagwood

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    That is very nice.
     
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  9. ajole

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    Looks way better.:clap:

    But you're gonna tip over sideways if you keep loading the side bags that way.:D

    I have to say..that sustainment bag looks like someone said "Hmmm...how we take a good pack, and make it MORE like ALICE, but worse than ever?"
     
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  10. My friend had asked me to see how it would look with the Sustainment pouch on the side, and compare with the Tactical Tailor Medium Utility Pouch; that was why the lopsided appearance. In reality, I would be using two Tactical Tailor Large Utility Pouches if I can find them cheaply in coyote, or the same setup as on my 2,000 ci MOLLE bag on the FILBE frame; 2x USMC IFAK pouches as GP pouches and 2x canteen pouches, with possible small MOLLE FAK pouch with jungle FAK insert. Otherwise, it'll be slicked
     
  11. ajole

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    Make your own light weight thin tall stuff sacks with draw string closures and MOLLE attachments. Could get crazy and use dry bag style roll and click-a-buckle tops.
    Easy to sew, I wouldn’t even square off a floor.

    Seriously, the look and the lines on this are clean, don’t just start hanging warts off it.
     
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  12. Pretty sure there has to be a market for simple, lightweight MOLLE pouches the same size as what's on the Medium ALICE packs... as in bigger than a canteen, but not as rounded as a Nalgene pouch.. and single buckle closure with amply sized flaps.
     
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  13. ajole

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    That would be good. The main problem with the Alice, to me, was that the pouches were too low, so the weight was pulling down and levering the load out.

    That size, or even slightly taller, but not bigger, could be good fastened on the top half of the pack, which is why the MOLLE packs do that. The sustainment bags ARE those bags. Also...those thinner straps and smaller buckles are a good thing.

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  14. I know; I have a Large MOLLE pack and have had a Standard Riflemans ruck in the past. Its interesting to see how the USMC did their FILBE with sustainment pouches and hydration carrier and assault packs and assault pouch all attached to the beast of a pack, using a plastic frame thats not much bigger than an ALICE.
    There's also a reason I sewed the MOLLE where they are... space enough for long pouches and short pouches without interference as well as reducing the amount of MOLLE unlike my larger 2,000ci pack, which is basically in between the two ALICE sizes.
     
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  15. The Tactical Tailor Large Utility Pouch that comes in pairs on their MAV chest rig sets; is roughly 6" wide, 2" thick, and 11ish" tall. I have a pair in OD. I might make the next pack similar to this in OD, if I can make sure the fabric actually is a close match to the TT green. Camo Green 483 Cordura(what I used on the last .45 JHP chest/shoulder holster I made) from ebay is more blue-ish and fits the newer ALICE gear better. The "Border Patrol green 500D Cordura" from Ebay may be a closer fit. I have 2 yards of 420D "Ranger Green" pack cloth in my stash, however it is uncoated so its not going to be waterproof at all. I do have 2 yards of 420D nylon pack cloth coming from Beacon Fabrics in "woodland" that might be a closer match to USGI woodland colors than the Taiwan fabric I used on my last woodland pack.
     
  16. Updated pics, slick with ALICE frame and next to slick 2,000 CI MOLLE pack on FILBE frame for comparison. The FILBE framed pack has about 260-300 cubic inches more than the tall pack. 20200427_095448.jpg 20200427_125208.jpg 20200427_125321.jpg 20200427_125123.jpg 20200427_095440.jpg 20200427_125134.jpg 20200427_095501.jpg
     
  17. With woodland Sustainment pouch in center, and 2x Tactical Tailor Large Utility Pouches;
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  18. ajole

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    Yours wins.
    But I’d run the lid straps through the MOLLE web at the bottom, to anchor them in front.
     
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  19. Theyre both my creations :)
     
  20. I decided to put 2 of my 3 Coyote Sustainment Pouches on it to see how it works out.. very similar in layout to the old ARVN pack, but I definitely will need to add 3 rows of MOLLE on the next pack because the sustainment pouches are attached to only 2 rows of MOLLE. Nice thing about these pouches, I can route my lid straps behind them for a clean look. Now I just need to decide between the $66.50 (inc shipping) Tactical Tailor Super Straps in CB, or $39-$50 Fire Force USA straps in Tactical Tan (with Tan 499 buckles)..... or make my own LC-2 style shoulder straps with MOLLE QD buckles... decisions, decisions... lol 20200622_135604.jpg 20200622_135608.jpg 20200622_135613.jpg 20200622_135620.jpg