MagTech 9mm Nato Ammo??

Discussion in 'Caliber Zone' started by OldOutlaw, Oct 9, 2015.

  1. OldOutlaw

    OldOutlaw Supporting Member

    Has anyone used this 9mm Nato in 124gr? Prices are not looking bad for it. Just don't know much about Magtech myself.

    We have some Ruger P95DC pistols who like a load on the heavier side.
    The Winchester 9mm 124gr Nato is really good in all my different pistols and the 995TS also.
     
  2. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    One member shot NATO stuff a little in his 995 and it cracked IIRC.
     

  3. OldOutlaw

    OldOutlaw Supporting Member

    The Nato ammo is only loaded 10% greater than regular commercial. So quite a bit less than +P. 995 is rated for +P as I read. So, shouldn't be any pressure problems.

    The Winchester Nato is good in my 995 carbines. Not much more recoil either. I'm just not sure about this Brazilian made Nato stuff yet.
     
  4. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    uNdieG linked the thread he'll eventually show up and show us. He is tormenting the Gluck website agIVating me right now. I agree it shouldn't.......yet it did.
     
  5. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    I thought MagTech was Korean? Maybe it's both?
     
  6. ajole

    ajole Supporting Member

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    But...there is nothing about "NATO" ammo in general that should do that. NATO might be hot..or it might not.

    NATO ammo specs are about muzzle energy, with a higher upper limit on pressure..but despite the internet myth that ALL NATO ammo is + P, the pressure required to get the specified energy doesn't have to be any higher than normal.

    Fun fact...the proof pressure for NATO is the same proof pressure as CIP uses...but commercial CIP avg pressure is lower than SAAMI.

    So, any given NATO ammo could be +P, or not. You can't tell just by the fact that they say it's NATO ammo.

    Here's one for you.

    IMI uses 115 grain bullets to make NATO Specs.

    "Cartridge designation: US M882 ball
    Cartridge OAL:1.165inches or 29.591mm
    Powder used: HPC-26
    Powder weight used: X.x grains (edited for forum rules)
    Case Mouth Pressure: 31,175psi (avg), 36,250psi (max)
    Bullet weight: 112 grains
    Bullet length: .610 inches or 15.494mm
    Bullet velocity: 1263fps measured @ 15 feet"

    And another 882 load...

    Cartridge, Caliber 9mm Ball, NATO, M882

    Weapon: Pistol, Automatic, Cal 9mm, M9, M11

    Velocity: 1251 +/-25 fps at 16 meters
    Pressure: 27,000 psi, max. avg.
    Cartridge: 179 gr.
    Case: 42 gr.
    Bullet: 124 gr Copper Alloy
    Propellant:
    Brand: HPC 26
    Type: Double Base Flake
    Weight: X gr. -X gr.
    Point Ident: Plain Tip
     
  7. OldOutlaw

    OldOutlaw Supporting Member

    MagTech is Brazilian ammo. http://www.luckygunner.com/ammo-manufacturer/magtech-ammo-review

    Owned by Brazilian Holding Company called CBC. Who owns the following ammo companies.
    Magtech, CBC, MEN, and Sellier & Bellot. And, who knows what they may make under Private labels.

    http://www.magtechammunition.com/products/handgun-ammunition/

    It may well be good stuff for Nato. My Winchester Nato shoots 2-3 inch groups at 50 yards off hand in both 995TS.. Better at bench rest. It is the most consistent I have found for what I want. Shoots pretty flat compared to my cheaper ammo. I use same point of aim at 25 and 50 with it. My full size pistols function better with it.
    My 5" Tactical XD really loves the stuff. :)
     
  8. lsi1

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    a friend o mine had some nato stuff that was showing signs of overpressure in his cz pistol bulged primers. think it was winchester but might have been magtech.
     
  9. OldOutlaw

    OldOutlaw Supporting Member

    On the boxes of Winchester Nato I bought this year head stamped
    WMA, 15, and the Nato cross the box says on it the following. Nothing else.

    Velocity Muzzle 1140, 5yds 1130, 25yds 1091

    Energy Muzzle 358, 5yds 351, 25yds 328.

    They have crimped primers with red sealant.
     
  10. undeRGRound

    undeRGRound ROLL wif Da MOLE! Supporting Member

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    AllOutOfAmmo (AOOA) had the micro-fractures of his 995 bolt from shooting
    500 rounds of NATO 9mm, brand unspecified. Covered under warranty. :D
     
  11. undeRGRound

    undeRGRound ROLL wif Da MOLE! Supporting Member

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    MOLE, At your Service!

    PMC is Korean, ya Dink! :p
     
  12. OldOutlaw

    OldOutlaw Supporting Member

    It well should have been. 9mm Nato is less than the 995 is rated for. The Nato is not a +P in the true sense.
     
  13. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    I have a bulk pack of MagTech in 9mm I swear is Ko-re-unn. I'll have to dig it out. That was back in the last shortage. :D It's buried.
     
  14. lsi1

    lsi1 Member

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    just because its rated for +p doesn't mean it should have a steady diet of the stuff.
     
  15. undeRGRound

    undeRGRound ROLL wif Da MOLE! Supporting Member

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    I have some MagTech buried too, but I'm not about to go
    "digging it up" just to prove you WRONG! :p :rofl: :cool:

    It could be, Fiocchi and Tula subcontract back and forth a lot.
    Ever hear of a Mall-Warts brand called perFecta? ;)
     
  16. beaglenc

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    Magtech is owned by CBC, large company, also owns Sellior and Bellot.
     
  17. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member


    Whadda ya gonnadoo when the Indiana Tundra is frozen and you need ammo?:eek:
     
  18. talon

    talon the banned wagon

    Why not? If its designed to be able to handle it, went not use it every shot if that's what you prefer to shoot?
     
  19. lsi1

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    for the same reason we build motors that will see 7000 rpm. Sure they might run like that for a while but they will run a lot longer at 2500 rpms.
     
  20. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    Excellent analogy. How long can Zamak survive at 7000rpm? I am guess the part that failed was Zamack?