Massive surge in college students & shooting sports, how can this possibly be?!?

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by lklawson, Apr 23, 2015.

  1. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c31f4e-c8cd-11e4-a199-6cb5e63819d2_story.html

    The Washington Post gives a rundown of the dramatic rise in popularity of shooting sports, including College Shooting Teams, among college & university students.

    While the WP reports that most students claim they experience calming "zen" like benefits which reduce stress and improve focus in their lives, the WP seems to think there are other reasons, notably:


    • The Gun Industry's trying to brainwash the kids and is bribing colleges
    • The kids are using it as an opportunity to rebel against the safety concerns of mom & dad and are "experimenting" with different "identities" (like experimenting with drugs or sexuality).


    Umm... Yeah.

    When describing the donations that University's get the WP describes it as "largesse" or, my personal favorite, "Dick Leeper, the foundation’s director, insists that the couple behind the charity, Larry and Brenda Potterfield, did not start the foundation because they wanted more customers for their business."

    And no, I wasn't joking about the "identity" reference:

    "And that’s precisely what the gun industry hoped it would hear after spending the past few years pouring millions of dollars into collegiate shooting, targeting young adults just as they try out new activities and personal identities."

    But, hey!, there's good news! At least some of them probably won't keep up this gun-nut activity once they've gotten it out of their system by "experimenting" in college:

    "Some students plan to continue shooting after they graduate, but others say it will depend on family situations and how tough regulations are wherever they wind up."

    Ah well. Over all it's not as biased and slanted as it could be.

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
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  2. ajole

    ajole Supporting Member

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    Yeah...darned gun culture nut job kids actually plan to follow the laws when they get out of school, what the heck are they teaching these days?:rofl:
     

  3. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member

    Someone from the left is actually whining about the brainwashing of our students?.... How did they say that with a straight face?... Seriously!.......
     
  4. Think1st

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    It's always amusing that The Left accuses people of bribery and brainwashing when it involves simply giving people an alternative viewpoint from their own. Meanwhile, when professors indoctrinate students from the bully pulpit and Leftists give donations, there is nothing worth mentioning in their narrow minds.

    It is just another theme along the lines of the Orwellian Newspeak definition of the word, "tolerance."
     
  5. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member


    Both my son and daughter recently had to take a psychology class for college, one at a comm. college, one at UMKC.... Both had terrible times with the professors.... Both were unabashedly anti-Christian... And I don't mean atheistic, I mean borderline verbally abusive about it..... But that's the accepted norm for behavior of educational staff, which I thought by the very definition of knowledge, welcomed all viewpoints to a discussion.... Not anymore.... They are by example, the fascist propaganda spewing pillars of oppression that so called "intellectuals" used to rail against...
     
  6. Another great example of defeating the dying leftist dream of putting the jackboot to the people throat by letting more young people experience freedom.

    And each of us can do a little along these lines also. Just take young non-shooters to the range. Let them shoot your 995, AR, AK, etc. Having a bump fire stock helps also. You know kids, they seem to like making a lot of noise even if there is no good reason to do so.

    Now is the time for a 2nd Amendment offense. Make the enemy use their remaining resources up making a last ditch effort.

    All the leftist can do is whine as they march into being just something that is read about in history books.
     
  7. histed

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    Bull, if I didn't know "educators" who are exactly this, I would be very offended by your comment. As it is, I am a teacher (history and psychology), a political conservative, a devout Christian, and a firm defender of the Constitution, including the 2A. I'm sorry your kids had to deal with that - there are a lot of real Fascists out there. But, my friend (I hope), please remember that not all of us fit that mold and, in fact, do everything we can to really educate kids and fight the liberal agenda from inside.
     
  8. undeRGRound

    undeRGRound ROLL wif Da MOLE! Supporting Member

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    I'm willing to bet the rate of recidivism is lower than the rate among college
    lesbians. Prolly much lower, in fact!
     
  9. MXGreg

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    Here in Minnesota we start them out in High School.

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/301105891.html

    We've got several local schools using our sportsman's club. So many that we've updated all of the equipment. It's now to the point where most schools are offering, or will soon offer it as a sport the kids can letter in. There are shooting ranges going up everywhere.

    Just think, they don't want guns in schools, yet the kids are picking up guns like never before.
     
  10. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    My high school had a range in the basement for our shooting team. It's storage space now. I hate NY...
     
  11. SteveC

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    I'm sorry your kids ran into that kind of crap. I have to take exception, though to the idea that it's the "accepted norm" for educational staff. It sure wasn't in the universities where I was a faculty member in Psychology Departments, or in the medical school where I was Professor of Medical Psychology. We are - most of us - professionals who recognize our responsibility for creating atmospheres of honest and respectful discussion, whatever our personal beliefs might be. And I've run into students with Christian beliefs who brought similarly horrible attitudes into discussions. Unpleasant as it was, and while it should not have been that way, dealing with their professors was itself a learning experience. There is no shortage of close-minded, rigid, absolutist attitudes or over-the-top histrionic rhetoric out there.
     
  12. Rachgier

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    One of my English professors was a communist hippy liberal puke. One paper we had to write was about a poignant moment in our lives so I wrote about taking my first deer hunting with my grandfather. I got the guns are bad, meat is bad, hunters are the devil, you get an 'F'. I wove guns, meat, or hunting in to every paper I wrote for him for the rest of the term. I barely passed.
     
  13. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member


    I'm glad you don't.... I suppose I should have prefaced that with a statement to the trend of, not the total of. No personal offense meant brother.......But since I've got you here on the subject, if you don't mind.... How many are like us, and how many are as I've described?...
     
  14. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member


    I suppose another reason I used accepted norm, was that both of the professors in question had multiple complaints against them.... But the universities either a) don't care, or b) accept it as soa.... Like I said to Histed though, I shoulda prefaced it as a trend, not an absolute.... But same question I posed to him..... Honestly, how many of these educators are closer to our mindset, and how many fit my stereotype?
     
  15. ajole

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    I'm also a teacher, High School, but I pretty much agree with Bull, in general. Too far right can get one fired From many institutions...too far left doesn't seem to have that problem. ACLU, or some other group gets into it, and they go all Teflon.

    Thank goodness there are enough of us right wing folks around to keep it from being a total takeover.

    Histed, I'm History and Geography...but I've never taught History once, in 21 years. Next year I lose my Geography, and become all math. My school is rural, 10 male teachers, 11 female, and 5 carry permits that I know of.:p

    SteveC, I had a Philosophy teacher in a class I took while in the Army. Indian man, Catholic, living in England as a British citizen, teaching US Military folk for the U. Of Maryland European campus.

    Pretty amazing guy, he was as professional as they come, he never projected anything I could see as pro or anti anything, despite the fact that he was ridiculously knowledgable. Great teacher, he let you figure things out, didn't try to dictate right or wrong.

    But I have seen examples that were pretty much the antithesis of that, and they do seem to get all the airtime recently, if you know what I mean.
     
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  16. Think1st

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    That's how professors should ideally be. A professor can be a devil's advocate or put forth the reasons for his own beliefs in order to intellectually challenge a student's position, but that is as far as he should go. The professional uses his position to force students to devise logically-ordered positions. He doesn't cajole or intimidate them into memorizing and repeating propaganda points until they are psychologically bludgeoned into believing them.
     
  17. SteveC

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    I respect your outrage. Absolutely. Saying that first of all.

    I'm not naïve enough to imagine that some professors won't get away with unprofessional behavior. Sometimes that crap hides behind tenure and principles of academic freedom that are fundamental to what a university is supposed to be. It offends me when it happens, but it happens. It offends me enough that I resigned my first academic position because of unacceptable behavior on the part of my department chairman that was similar in nature to what your kids experienced. The dean who did my exit interview (and tried to persuade me to stay) admitted there were problems with my chairman, but the situation wasn't going to get any radical change. So I left.

    Having a PhD and academic rank doesn't provide immunity to being a rectal orifice (much like any other workplace). Not always, though. I've been involved in corrective actions with unprofessional colleagues. As part of the committee that provided academic oversight at the medical school, there were instances where we intervened in such situations on behalf of students (but rarely; I had the pleasure of serving on a very professional and estimable faculty). I've been involved in improvement plans and mentoring with problem faculty members.

    It's probably true that university faculties are more liberal than the rest of the population, particularly so in disciplines like sociology and psychology (among others). That's not so much true in other disciplines, where conservatives are a lot easier to find. Try departments in business, mathematics, engineering, biology, chemistry, physics, criminal justice, languages, etc. Most of them, though, including the liberal ones, are really not politically engaged. They are teaching their material, doing research and other scholarly work required of them, going to way too many committee meetings, dealing with evaluations of their courses, and a bunch of other stuff. It's not a 9 to 5 sort of work. Point is that most of them are just too busy, like everyone else, trying to make their careers work. Faculties also tend to be pretty diverse. The idea of a lockstep thinking on faculties will bring a chuckle to most people who've been there. The phrase "herding cats" comes to mind.

    Just sayin' it's not as bleak as folks are tempted to think. Universities are weird places. Still, the quality of an American university education is recognized around the world for very good reasons.
     
  18. planosteve

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    I love the professors that challenge you and also gave you both sides of any argument I had some that did not and it really made me angry. I have found most history professors are relatively balanced even though most of them are leftward leaning. They are more concerned with what actually happened and why it happened than their political views. I told one of my history professors he was a socialist with libertarian beliefs and he nearly blew a a gasket. He believes government should intervene in business and the social issues but he wanted to be left alone to live his life as he saw fit. I really had a good time in his class and he probably learn something from me and I learned a lot from him
     
  19. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member


    I admire people who will do what you did Steve...... Wish more would....
     
  20. histed

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    To answer your question, Bull - I can't make a general statement. From what I see, I'd guess that ajole pretty well pegged it. However, in my corner of the education world (Central, rural PA) most of my fellow teachers and administrators are quite conservative. My principal belong to NRA, shoots a HP .380 and favored CCW in school. Does seem that the closer one gets to Harrisburg or Philly, the more "liberal" the educators get. I've taught a couple of evening courses at smaller colleges in the area and know several profs who support 2A and the conservative view. I also know they field a lot of pressure and garbage from the hippie set. BTW - no offense taken - after 2 1/2 decades in the private service setor and 2 more teaching my skin's pretty thick.