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Ok, so you and your brother are at the range and he runs out of ammo. You lend him 51 rounds. Live in California? You just broke the law. Crime to transfer more than 50 rounds (per MONTH!) to an individual unless you have a special license. Fingerprint required with every transaction. No internet ammo purchases allowed. Bill passed both houses and if the Governator doesnt veto it (yeah, sure) , goes into effect June 2010. No surprise, all Republicans and rural Democrats voted against it., all urban Democrats voted for it. What a wonderful state!
 

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Simple solution...........MOVE!!!!
Better yet, get all the red counties together and SECEDE! The red counties of Kalifornia have more than enough land area and population to justify the formation of a separate state, although you all might have to wait a few years before halfway normal people take back Congress and allow your new territory inclusion as the 51st State.
 

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SECEDE is a good idea. I used to think we needed a North and South California split around LA, but politically that wouldnt help anymore, need an East and West California. West California would be from Mex border to a little North of San Francisco and say 15 miles inland (the Blue state). The rest would be East California, including the coast north of San Fran. This hopefully would be the Red state.
 

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West Virginia pulled it off, dont see why you guys cant.
 

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there's no republican in office in Kalifornia... just a rino (republican in name only) married to a hardcore Lib..
 

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Don't worry, the REPUBLICAN sitting in the Governor's chair will veto it! Republicans always support freedom...

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The OP didn't make this a partisan issue naming only the factions that did indeed vote either for or against it. So why try to turn into a party debate when our rights are in danger?

While some of us may agree more with republicans as a whole more than the bunch that now pass for democrats it still remains a matter of our liberties.
 

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Don't worry, the REPUBLICAN sitting in the Governor's chair will veto it! Republicans always support freedom...

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The OP didn't make this a partisan issue naming only the factions that did indeed vote either for or against it. So why try to turn into a party debate when our rights are in danger?

While some of us may agree more with republicans as a whole more than the bunch that now pass for democrats it still remains a matter of our liberties.
Until people realize that business as usual means the loss of what remains of our freedoms there is no hope for recovery. The governor of California is a Republican--it's the party he is registered with. There are no qualifications to join a party because parties in the US have no philosophy or belief to identify themselves.

I know you guys don't pay attention, but the Republicans in the California Assembly and Senate routinely vote against crazy legislation that the Democrats pass by party vote. The Republicans were the majority party in California just a few decades ago. They lost the state because they were too busy being party regulars and ignoring the voters. It's not one party that's the problem; it's all the politicians.

BTW: Arnold vetoed a bill very similar to this a couple of years ago--don't be surprised if he vetoes this one too.

Don't be surprised if he lets it become law either--he does what he perceives in his own political interest at a given point in time. You know, just like all the other politicians in office.
 

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Don't worry, the REPUBLICAN sitting in the Governor's chair will veto it! Republicans always support freedom...

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The OP didn't make this a partisan issue naming only the factions that did indeed vote either for or against it. So why try to turn into a party debate when our rights are in danger?

While some of us may agree more with republicans as a whole more than the bunch that now pass for democrats it still remains a matter of our liberties.
Until people realize that business as usual means the loss of what remains of our freedoms there is no hope for recovery. The governor of California is a Republican--it's the party he is registered with. There are no qualifications to join a party because parties in the US have no philosophy or belief to identify themselves.

I know you guys don't pay attention, but the Republicans in the California Assembly and Senate routinely vote against crazy legislation that the Democrats pass by party vote. The Republicans were the majority party in California just a few decades ago. They lost the state because they were too busy being party regulars and ignoring the voters. It's not one party that's the problem; it's all the politicians.

BTW: Arnold vetoed a bill very similar to this a couple of years ago--don't be surprised if he vetoes this one too.

Don't be surprised if he lets it become law either--he does what he perceives in his own political interest at a given point in time. You know, just like all the other politicians in office.
Its like the problem with the water being turned off to farms in the valley to save that fish. Why in the hell doesn't Arnold have the National Guard turn it back on? It would seem the perfect time for such an act. NO BACKBONE OR PRINCIPLES is the answer, sad isnt it.

So why do the people of PRK continue to elect such?
 

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So why do the people of PRK continue to elect such?
It's rather complex, involving gerrymandered districts which still became Democratic, the selfish greed of politicians who only want to protect themselves, bipartisanship -- which always seems to compromise in a direction which benefits the liberal agenda, allowing 'undocumented workers' (the correct term is illegal alien) and some other less-important issues.

But, the real, single-issue that the Republicans screamed about and refused to compromise on, even when it was obvious it was a show stopper for many in California--both liberal and conservative; the one issue the California Republican Party would not give up on:

abortion

Californians have always had a tolerance for abortion and the CA Republican Party insistence on taking a hard line against abortion meant many people who would have otherwise voted Republican didn't...
 

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So why do the people of PRK continue to elect such?
It's rather complex, involving gerrymandered districts which still became Democratic, the selfish greed of politicians who only want to protect themselves, bipartisanship -- which always seems to compromise in a direction which benefits the liberal agenda, allowing 'undocumented workers' (the correct term is illegal alien) and some other less-important issues.

But, the real, single-issue that the Republicans screamed about and refused to compromise on, even when it was obvious it was a show stopper for many in California--both liberal and conservative; the one issue the California Republican Party would not give up on:

abortion

Californians have always had a tolerance for abortion and the CA Republican Party insistence on taking a hard line against abortion meant many people who would have otherwise voted Republican didn't...
This is the problem we have with Cali and a lot of other states. Elected officials always when they want something smoke screen the issue in with something like abortion or illegal immigrants and other things. While we are kicking each other about one issue they are passing another one that is usually worse. Laws are in the wording, there is a reason why this new health care bill is so long. It is so by the time you get half way threw reading the bill you have forgotten most of what you just read. Our country became great of the backs of the men and women that believed what it stood for and were willing to die for the cause. Now we have become lame and week in our everyday dealings. For instance when you last had your cable shut off due to not paying your bill I bet the world was going to end for your family. Many times over we have had large groups of people with out food and supply's (LOOK MA IM STILL ALIVE) and we always have recovered and grown stronger. What is wrong is that we have forgotten our voice not just in protest but at the polls. You live in Cali and hate the laws they pass then find out what is going on underneath the smoke and scream like hell about it DON'T EVER FORGET THE GOVERNMENT IS NOTHING WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE. Take this for what its worth just remember next time you get into a debate over gay marriage and abortion rights, that is the time to wake up and look at the government agenda. I will promise you this, it is not all they are trying to get out of you and what you don't know is the bad part.
 
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