i know i posted this on the old board, but i'm still toying around with the idea of a .410 for home defense. right now the only thing i own is a .22 rifle. my parents are prob. getting me a c9 for christmas, and i plan on getting a shotgun in the near future, so this is all just ideas on what i should buy. some members were talking about how good the saiga's are, well i got into looking a little and they make a semi-auto .410. in my thinking this would be a good home defense choice for me. i would use the c9 to check things out if i were to go mobile, but if i definitely heard someone smash in, i was thinking it would be nice to use the bed as a rest and prop the .410 at the bedroom door. the ballistics i've seen show at close range (up to about 50 yards) the .410 more kinetic energy than a .357, .380, and .38 special. i also like the semi-auto part of it and the option to have extra mags. i was thinking about loading it with slugs and the site i was looking at, the guy was getting between 2in and 4.5 in groups at 50 yards. i know the shorter saiga barrel won't get that, but i'm also only talking about between 10 to 20 feet. also with the .410 i was thinking it would be quieter so i wouldn't temp deafen myself or my wife and with less recoil i could get off a second shot faster and more accurately. it also has a threaded barrel, so if i could find a flash suppressor i'd use that as well, again for a faster follow up shot so i don't temp blind myself. any and all comments are welcome, i'm a newbie and need your imput =] oh and one of the sites i was looking at ballistics at was http://mcb-homis.com/slug_410/index.htm also it's just my wife and i so over penetration isn't that big of a deal as long as it doesn't enter a neighbor's house.