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So the only experience I've had with ARs is my son's CMT-15. From the moment I first picked it up to shoot it I hated the damn thing. Cheap plasticy toy like feel. Sounds like it's powered by a pogo-stick spring. Could probably break it in half over my knee. Pure garbage IMO. Sad to say it soured me on ARs. Well today he stopped by with his latest acquisition. He opened the box and pulled out, you guessed it, another freakin' AR. Oh yippie! Then he handed it to me. A Smith & Wesson M&P 15 - 5.56mm. Holy Sheet! Now this is a proper rifle. Not some lead flinging toy. Steel construction through out. Just holding it felt badd-ass. Seriously looking forward to shooting it. I'll reserved my decision on if I want one or not till then.

He also put a down payment on a Springfield M1-A1. My little boy's all grown up. I'm such a proud daddy.
 

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My son got me into ARs as well. Glad he did!
M&Ps ROCK!!!
 

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Comon guys, you are making me second guess my choice in getting the Windham Weaponry instead of waiting to get the M&P!

Joking somewhat. I know they are very equivalent, but it feels weird buying an "off brand" even if I know the history.

And yes I love my HPs, may just take some time for the WW to grow on me.
 

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Comon guys, you are making me second guess my choice in getting the Windham Weaponry instead of waiting to get the M&P!

Joking somewhat. I know they are very equivalent, but it feels weird buying an "off brand" even if I know the history.

And yes I love my HPs, may just take some time for the WW to grow on me.
My "backwoods gunsmith" buddy likes the WW, says it has good value for the money, etc. He's familiar with their stuff, and it's made in Maine, which is where he's from. A real MAINE-iac :D
 

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So the only experience I've had with ARs is my son's CMT-15. .....Sad to say it soured me on ARs.
Aha, there's what was going on...:p

See, the black rifle isn't so bad. Glad you got to revisit the platform and get a better idea of their reality.

Comon guys, you are making me second guess my choice in getting the Windham Weaponry instead of waiting to get the M&P!

...it feels weird buying an "off brand" even if I know the history.
WW isn't an off brand, it's the "REAL" Bushmaster, not the Remarlingtonaster that carries the Bushmaster name now.

It will be great.:)
 

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@ Cic,

You should try my AR180, all stamped steel , looks like an AR but feels like an AK kinda thing......
You're welcome to shoot it if you ever get your lazy @ss to my AO.....
 

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Comon guys, you are making me second guess my choice in getting the Windham Weaponry instead of waiting to get the M&P!

Joking somewhat. I know they are very equivalent, but it feels weird buying an "off brand" even if I know the history.

And yes I love my HPs, may just take some time for the WW to grow on me.
Don't second guess that WW! I have nothing at all against the M&P, but for the last two years my WW has been serving me well, including in multigun competition. Never once jammed. And the history is serious - like Ajole, said, this is the real "Bushmaster."
 

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Yeah, I read how good the WWs were, it's why I bought it. Everything was cool till I saw the barrel was kinda grey and didn't match. Otherwise I love it.

Sorry for the detail, after getting my AR, I see why everyone loves them. Newfound respect as well for me
 

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Yeah, I read how good the WWs were, it's why I bought it. Everything was cool till I saw the barrel was kinda grey and didn't match.
That's just the zinc parkerizing. If you want it blacker, wipe it down with (or soak it in) oil. Motor oil works, break free does too reportedly.;)

You could also use grease, or with some SERIOUS prep including scrubbing and degreasing, you can use cold blue.
 

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I like the Black Forge and it has a better warranty then Bushmaster. I emailed BF and they sent me a parts kit and a bunch of other stuff (free). Did the same to Bushmaster and they replied if its broke you can buy a parts kit or send it in. My son has the BM I sent back to them that its the last one I will buy ever.
 

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I like the Black Forge and it has a better warranty then Bushmaster. I emailed BF and they sent me a parts kit and a bunch of other stuff (free). Did the same to Bushmaster and they replied if its broke you can buy a parts kit or send it in. My son has the BM I sent back to them that its the last one I will buy ever.
Well yeah. Bushmaster is just a part of a big machine now that they are part of the Freedom Group's holdings. I have a pre sell out Bushy, it's a great gun.

Fortunately, the guy that owned Bushmaster back when it was actually good, is now making high quality guns under the Windham name. So if you want a gun made by bean counters in a money making conglomerate, you get a Bushmaster or a Remington. If you want one with the old Bushmaster quality, you buy a Windham.;).

So far the don't seem to have killed Marlin...but they tried.:(
 

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He finds my stuff too
 

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My spy is still in play. :p
Black Forge makes a good combat AR haven't tried their hunting versions. But most of the parts from most company's use the same just stamp their name on it. I may alter my foreign weapons. But I keep my AR's black.
 
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