Hey all...I'm Ray. Retired USAF MSgt, IDMT (medic). Also Vol FF so you get my screen name. Getting back into the hand gun scene after a long time away. last pistol was a Taurus 92 9mm back in the day. I have been looking at Hi Point as of late because of the price. At first I looked at Hi Point (because of my budget) and I thought either too good to be true or they are junk. Well it seems there are two camps regarding Hi Point, love em or hate em. However, I have not seen or read a single article or video that says they are unreliable or not accurate. Heavy? yes. Ugly? yes. Well so is my drill which I didn't buy for looks, it drills which is what I need it to do. So I will eventually be getting my IL CC and am wondering if either the 0.380 or 9mm hi point is realistic for CC (size and weight being the two factors). So any help along those lines would be appreciated. Thanks all and appreciate any feedback.