Oh yay more "all the world will love us" tough negotiation....

I dunno, it's a static target vs a fluid target. I can see the advantages of the ship based program but then again it's availability is suspect if we are not on our toes.

why do we care about an eastern european missile defense system if we are bound and determined that Iran will not get or use nuclear technology. seems like a mixed message to say, 'we want to be sure we can shoot down iranian nukes in the eastern hemisphere so we will build a defense system', and then to say, 'we will nuke iran before we let them have nukes'.

^ I don't really know why we need one over there anyway, i'm thinking it would be better suited to shoot something down over something less inhabited, like say those two big ass oceans we have between us?

^ I don't really know why we need one over there anyway, i'm thinking it would be better suited to shoot something down over something less inhabited, like say those two big ass oceans we have between us?

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going back to something my buddy GW said a few years ago...."oceans no longer protect us"

going back to something my buddy GW said a few years ago...."oceans no longer protect us"

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True, I hear some chatter about the dolphin people preparing to rise up.

Though the oceans never really protected us anyway...1812 proved that.

^ I don't really know why we need one over there anyway, i'm thinking it would be better suited to shoot something down over something less inhabited, like say those two big ass oceans we have between us?

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Well Obama sells out our europeans friends again to placate his kinfolk communist russians, for nothing in return except a possible promise to side with us in UN sanctions against Iran. What a tough statesman our fearless leader is. Don't worry though they've tried to put a spin on it that they've actually improved the defense by removing the land based ICBM system and going to ship based short and mid ranged defense. Now I understand why they think what they're doing to healthcare is an improvment I guess. Less is more. OH well sorry allies I guess we're siding with the other side. Hey don't worry if we have a ship in the area maybe we'll help you. Yes this new system is so much better than the old one, sure...thats why the russians were mad before and smiling now.

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I thought the Russians wernt communists any more?

I thought the Russians wernt communists any more?

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Think again..nothing has changed there. Of course you're free to believe whatever spin you want.

Its not about the Russians, its about those countries that were becoming our allies. We are putting them in a bad spot and all we get for it is smoke up our asses.

OK, Rhodes tells me russians aint commies any more but HP45 tells me otherwise. Who is right? I think Im gonna check wiki.

According to the Constitution, which was adopted by national referendum on 12 December 1993 following the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis, Russia is a federation and formally a semi-presidential republic, wherein the President is the head of state[104] and the Prime Minister is the head of government. The Russian Federation is fundamentally structured as a representative democracy. Executive power is exercised by the government.[105] Legislative power is vested in the two chambers of the Federal Assembly.[106] The government is regulated by a system of checks and balances defined by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which serves as the country's supreme legal document and as a social contract for the people of the Russian Federation.

Sorry for the thread hijack.

LOL, while they are technically not communist, there is to much history and holdover from the communist era to expect them not to have some communistic ideals and agendas.

LOL, while they are technically not communist, there is to much history and holdover from the communist era to expect them not to have some communistic ideals and agendas.

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But they can buy really badass saigas over there.

russians=vodka

russians=vodka

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...and they wrastle bears!

Does the simple fact that once we give our word we MUST keep it bother some us?

Why would we even contemplate breaking it?

This is no small matter, the people of these countries long remember betrayal and are very sensitive to this.

This is why your word should be given sparingly, it is all you have in this world that truly belongs to you, and all you can take into the next.

Everything about what the current administration is doing is bothering me...this is just one more thing to add to that. More destabilization please! We don't have enough yet!

i have so much on my plate right now that all this political stuff is topping it off.like i said i wasnt really into politics till 9/11 and still dont know near as much as i should.that being said im worried about obama taking our weapons away and for that im working on getting a weapon everytime i have the cash.

i have so much on my plate right now that all this political stuff is topping it off.like i said i wasnt really into politics till 9/11 and still dont know near as much as i should.that being said im worried about obama taking our weapons away and for that im working on getting a weapon everytime i have the cash.

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Just be wise about it. I cannot recommend highly enough the book by Boston T. Party (Kenneth W. Royce, interesting guy) "The Gun Bible". No one agrees with him on everything but everyone believing in the rights and obligations of self protection and protection of liberty agrees with most of it.