got 8 50 round boxes of the stuff. it comes in a brown vintage looking box . doesnt have the velocity or grain on box , but they are round nose . look like thunderbolts to me tho. despite everything i see online about it being crap ammo blah blah blah , i shot a box through my new 10/22 M1 and it worked great , no failures of any kind and no rounds sounded like a lite load . there is four feet of snow on the ground so i just shot at a tree from the porch at about 30 yards . seemed accurate enough and the new Ruger seemed to like them . if you see any i wouldnt pass them by .