Couldn't sleep last night so I stayed up playing on the internet. Think I have decided to buy a Phoenix Arms. It will be the black version. $129 plus my furl charges $25, so $154 otd. Now, do I want the HP22 or the HP25? 22lr is getting easier to find, but one pound of Unique will yield 3,890 cartridges. Besides I like to reload. Midway has 25acp brass and .251 bullets readily available. This will primarily be a plinker/fun gun. Too many safeties, IMHO, to be a viable SD gun. I'm leaning heavily towards the HP25. What say you?