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MaryB said:

Older firefox(have to, I rely on some ham radio plugins that were never updated), this started yesterday... disabled all my add ons etc, stopped the anti virus and firewall, still no work... Why I am stumped...

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Are you running Firefox ESR? It could be that one of the .js scripts is not getting properly pulled down due to ad or tracker blocking by ff. Even though FF is your primary browser you can still run IE or another browser to test with, or test using another computer. I'm not seeing any issues here behind my firewall and DNS sinkhole that both block ad's/trackers/etc.