I finally took the time to take pictures of my pistols. I added a Hogue grip to each. The only trimming was a small half circle around the mag release button. It is hard to believe but the grips improves any already great shooting pistol. Here is my C9, right and left sides. Here is my CF380, right and left sides. This has a Hogue grip, too. Here is a photo of the first target I shot with the C9 at 5 yards. The lower hits were when I aimed at the center. The center hits were when I aimed at the top 9.