Prepare for Grid Down

Discussion in 'Survival Zone' started by TNTRAILERTRASH, Sep 20, 2020.

  1. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    There has been small things done in the recent past. AK47 round into the cooling oil reservoir on a big transformer in CA. It over heated and failed. The big ones are frequently manufactured in China. Think about that.

    Cooking, heating, natural gas pipelines, well water, and city water in many ways need electrical power.

    Here we have a wooden pole cut with a chainsaw next to a substation.

     
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  2. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

    Amateur hour is it?
     
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  3. Fracman

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    Wait until the melt down in November
     
  4. Both sides are Lawyered up in every State to contest the election results..Probably gonna be a real 5hit show..
     
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  5. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

    Infrastructure in this country is ramshackle.
    Everything outsourced, contracted out to the lowest bidder and deregulated.
    All in the name of profit.
     
  6. cicpup

    cicpup Resident PITA Supporting Member

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    We're using Commie Power? If I lick a transformer I can catch Covid-19? Or just get a mouth full of Optimus Prime? You're gonna have to help me out a bit here. Exactly which horrible, life threatening conspiracy theory should I be thinking about right now?
     
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  7. I know a recent wind storm knocked my electrical power out for almost three days. Good old 2020 fortune. Looking at getting a propane generator so in case this happens again in the Winter I can run electric space heaters in my home and not have to endure low temperatures.
     
  8. moona11

    moona11 King of you Monkeys Lifetime Supporter

    I was wondering what crazy shit he was hinting this time.
     
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  9. Think1st

    Think1st Supporting Member

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    Where I am, I've seen big purple arcs jumping between the base of the line where it attaches to the pole and the flanged sleeve. I've also seen transformers blow several times. It makes a pretty impressive flash and boom when they go. The grid has not been enhanced one bit to accommodate the increased population density, and you can see the results.

    Having an environment that attracts new residents and businesses is great, but if you don't control the new housing construction, you are just asking for trouble. A little city planning is in order.

    There needs to be more competition in the utility industry. Even if there is only so much room for the generation facilities, there doesn't have to be room only for one deliverer. Perhaps it would make sense to contract out construction and maintenance of lines and substations to smaller districts to make that kind of competition more feasible.
     
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  10. histed

    histed Supporting Member

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    At most, you get an uncontrollable craving for eggrolls and raw fish.

    As for the conspiracy, it the one where BLM Antifa, KKK, QED, BVD, Chinese infiltrators dressed as German submariners or some other violent fringe group goes ape crap over the election results, nukes the power grid and turns the lights off in the civilized world. Heard it before, in a different guise. If it happens, it happens, but I'm not holding my breath or freaking out over it
     
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  11. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    Take your non solution bullshit and cram it up your ass. You find fault with everything. Guess what? The world ain't perfect especially the one you THINK you want to live in. Add going to work in grid security to your job search.
     
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  12. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    When McConnell starts the process of the supreme court nominee they are really going to lose their cookies.
     
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  13. Think1st

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    You're with TNT on this???:eek:
     
  14. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    I've known about this for years. Being a smug dork doesn't change the facts.


    https://www.realclearenergy.org/art...as_infection_of_the_us_power_grid_576065.html


    China and “probably one or two other” countries can shut down the U.S. power grid through a cyberattack. This disturbing revelation was made by Admiral Michael Rogers, former head of the National Security Agency, to Congress – in November 2014.

    China has also become the world’s leading supplier of transformers – the “spine” of electricity grids -- according to a 2014 U.S. Department of Energy (DoE) report. This also presents significant challenges to U.S. grid security.

    For economic and security reasons, the United States should no longer purchase transformers and other electric grid equipment manufactured in China. It is important to end relationships that U.S. utilities have directly with Chinese businesses and multi-national companies manufacturing transformers in China.

    These actions are envisioned under a May 1 Executive Order President Trump issued on protecting the bulk-power grid. Chinese power equipment provided to the U.S. can be embedded with software and hardware to remotely commit mischief from Beijing, enhancing its ability to commit cyberattacks.

    Such items will not be easy to find. Large power transformers are huge, and weigh between 100 and 400 tons.

    There is also a hardware risk. Counterfeit items are common throughout China and can easily be put into large power transformers, knowingly or unwittingly. Even if China is not presently doing this, the potential risks are too high.
     
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  15. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    Doesn't take more than a couple of $.30 bullets to take down a substation.
     
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  16. In Florida, it is stated like this " Little city planning is THE order"
     
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  17. cicpup

    cicpup Resident PITA Supporting Member

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    Well bully for you. First I've heard about this Chicken Little Horseshit.

    But thanks for enlightening me to what the hell you were hinting at like everyone should have known.
     
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  18. TNTRAILERTRASH

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    histed said:
    If it happens, it happens, but I'm holding my breath or freaking out over it

    All I said was make plans to live without power. If it happens you are ready. Gasoline and a generator might not be the solution for many different reasons.

    I lived off grid with solar shower water heat, no electricity for 3 years in the Everglades.
     
  19. Think1st

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    Yeah, but he believes it's going to happen (based on his wording). I've never seen him so adamant about this.

    I agree that you should be prepared to do without it for a while, too. There are too many things that can happen to the grid.
     
  20. Think1st

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    Well played. Well played.