Proposed Pennsylvania Gun Law HB1217

Discussion in '2nd Amendment' started by Rachgier, May 15, 2015.

  1. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    If I'm reading this right, they are proposing that anyone trying to rent a firearm at a range has to go through a complete NICS style check by the PA State Police.

    House Bill 1217

    No. 1217 Session of
    MAY 14, 2015
    AN ACT
    Amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania
    Consolidated Statutes, in firearms and other dangerous
    articles, providing for firearm rental at shooting ranges.
    The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
    hereby enacts as follows:
    Section 1. Title 18 of the Pennsylvania Consolidated
    Statutes is amended by adding a section to read:
    § 6111.6 Firearm rental at shooting ranges.
    (a) Application process for firearm rental.--
    (1) No owner or operator of a shooting range authorized
    by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which the
    shooting range is located may approve the rental of a firearm
    to another person until a completed application for gun
    rental is submitted by the person to the owner or operator.
    (2) The application shall include, but need not be
    limited to:
    (i) The name, address, date of birth, gender, race,
    physical description and Social Security number of the
    applicant and the date of application.
    (ii) Inspected photo identification of the
    applicant, including, but not limited to, a driver's
    license, official Pennsylvania photo identification card
    or official government photo identification card. In the
    case of an applicant who is a member of a recognized
    religious sect or community whose tenets forbid or
    discourage the taking of photographs of members of that
    sect or community, an owner or operator of a shooting
    range shall accept a valid-without-photo driver's license
    or a combination of documents, as prescribed by the
    Pennsylvania State Police, containing the applicant's
    name, address, date of birth and the signature of the
    (iii) A criminal background, juvenile delinquency
    and mental health check of the applicant following the
    procedures set forth in section 6111 (relating to sale or
    transfer of firearms).
    (3) Approved applicants shall be permitted to rent a
    firearm after receiving a unique approval number for that
    inquiry from the Pennsylvania State Police with the date and
    the approval number recorded on their application form.
    (4) All information provided by the applicant under this
    section, including, but not limited to, the applicant's name
    or identity, shall be confidential and not subject to public
    disclosure under the act of February 14, 2008 (P.L.6, No.3),
    known as the Right-to-Know Law.
    (b) Use of firearm at shooing range.--The use of a rented
    firearm by persons approved under subsection (a) shall be
    lawful, provided the firearm is kept at the shooting range
    during the entirety of its authorized rental.
    (c) Yearly application renewal.--Upon initial approval of
    the applicant, the owner or operator of the shooting range and
    the applicant shall sign an agreement permitting the applicant's
    firearm rental for a period not to exceed one year. Should the
    applicant seek to rent a firearm after expiration of the time
    period specified in the agreement, the applicant and owner or
    operator shall again submit and complete the application
    required under subsection (a).
    (d) Penalties.--In addition to any other sanction or penalty
    imposed by this chapter, any person, owner or operator of a
    shooting range, State or local governmental agency or department
    that violates this section shall be liable in civil damages in
    the amount of $1,000 per occurrence or three times the actual
    damages incurred as a result of the violation, whichever is
    greater, as well as reasonable attorney fees.
    (e) Definitions.--For purposes of this section, the term
    "shooting range" shall include an enclosed or open air firing
    range or area designed and operated for the use of rifle or
    handgun practice with targets or any other facility that permits
    the rental of firearms for use on its property and that is
    authorized to operate as such by the governing body of the
    jurisdiction in which the shooting range is located.
    Section 2. This act shall take effect in 60 days.
  2. Think1st

    Think1st Supporting Member

    That's how it reads to me, too. I hope that it gets squashed. This would seriously increase the costs and friction associated with that part of a range's business model. How many people have actually rented a firearm and then used it to go commit a crime? I would venture to say that the number is pretty low, if not zero.

  3. Wow. The dems down here just aren't giving up. They need a feel good "win"
  4. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    What confused me was the one year max. Does that mean you can rent a single firearm for a year, or get cleared to rent multiple firearms from the same range for a year? I see they are offering an annual renewal as well, so I'm thinking it's like a rental 'permit'?

    It also says the rented firearm can't leave the premises.
  5. lsi1

    lsi1 Member

    i doubt this will go anywhere bu i think its designed to stop range suicides more than crimes with rental firearms. looks like i have a couple phone calls for Monday morning.
  6. Think1st

    Think1st Supporting Member

    The problem is that no check will discover a plot to commit suicide on the range. Of course, we all knew that. It's pretty rare for a piece of legislation to have any logic or truly factual data underpinning it, anymore.
  7. lsi1

    lsi1 Member

    its clearly for the children. if it saves just one life its worth putting a million others through hoop.

    Obviously some of our dems have been enraged that all of a certain exmayors millions have been flowing to the west coast and they are jealous enough to purpose legislation to try to get a few bucks for themselves.
  8. Pablo

    Pablo Carbine Guy aka Zippy Member

    Yes because range rental guns are all about robbing 7-11.
  9. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member

    I stop by and rent a tuxedo, and hit up enterprise for a sub-compact getaway vehicle..
  10. Photographs steal you soul...

    WTF is up with allowing an ID that has NO proof you are who the Id is for?!?!?
  11. Pablo

    Pablo Carbine Guy aka Zippy Member

    You must show ID to practice you rights.

    Except voting. That would infringe on that right.
  12. ekim

    ekim Member

    The government figures if you go to all the trouble to come to this country illegally that you will always speak the truth and do the right thing, but a citizen has nothing to gain by being truthful so citizens will lie and try to get one over on everybody. The government figures citizen are to much like politicians to be trusted since that is how politicians act.
  13. bscar

    bscar Supporting Member

    The range I go to states that, unless you bring a firearm of your own, or are with atleast one other person, or are a member of the range, you cannot rent a firearm from them.
    I heard one guy at the counter explain that it's to prevent people from coming in, renting a gun, then killing themselves with it. I had never even heard of such a thing before, and thought it would take a lot of planning and thought to do something like that.
  14. Think1st

    Think1st Supporting Member

    This is proof that you don't need laws to prevent that kind of thing from happening. Businesses, in their own best interests, can mitigate those threats better than any legislation can.
  15. Pablo

    Pablo Carbine Guy aka Zippy Member

    Happened during a class here at a local indoor range. Guy was anti-gun too. Nice.

    It's happened twice (maybe 3 times) at another local indoor range. Suicide happens.