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Someone I know is looking at the Proven Trusted Refined rifle model listed as PTR 32 KFR chambered in 7.62 x 39 as a possible purchase in the future. It uses AK-47 7.62 x 39 magazines. They are a Heckler & Koch clone of the G3 rifle I believe but not chambered in 7.62 x 51. They appear to be solid and heavy at 10.5 pounds unloaded. Anyone have any experience with these rifles or with products from Proven Trusted Refined?

Here is a picture:

 

[KSR]

PTR is relatively well regarded, I owned a PTR-91 in .308 that was decent. It was pretty hard on brass but it didn’t matter since it would throw it into low orbit so the odds of finding it were slim anyways.

 

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I have heard that before KSR about the Heckler & Koch G3. They are very hard on brass. It is bad for those who reload.

 

[TNTRAILERTRASH]

Looks like a HK91. Nose heavy POS 's in my experience. Reliably awkward.

 

[ajole]

Wait....THAT is what PTR stands for?

I got to shoot the G3 in Germany in the late '80's. Nifty big heavy duty rifle, I loved the drum sights...but after we all got to shoot everyone elses rifles, EVERY German soldier out there would have traded theirs in on my M16A2 in a heartbeat. In fact, they were asking their CO if they could qualify with the M16, because they were actually tearing up targets so well and were hoping to upgrade their marksmanship rating. He said no.🤣

A $1200, 9 pound 16" 7.62X39 launcher? I have ZERO desire for one of those behemoths.

 

[TNTRAILERTRASH]

Get an AR47 and call it a day. The hybrids are out there? Small Arms Solutions did a great comparison video. PSA came out on top for mag compatibility (a big thing with those rifles! not all like every mag ) no round hold open. Screw it! AR47 with the whoop-ass Duramags is king.

 

[Visper]

Someone I know is looking at the Proven Trusted Refined rifle model listed as PTR 32 KFR chambered in 7.62 x 39 as a possible purchase in the future. It uses AK-47 7.62 x 39 magazines. They are a Heckler & Koch clone of the G3 rifle I believe but not chambered in 7.62 x 51. They appear to be solid and heavy at 10.5 pounds unloaded. Anyone have any experience with these rifles or with products from Proven Trusted Refined?

Here is a picture:

PTR makes good stuff, never fired the 7.62x39 version. The receiver looks a bit like a Galil (least where the mag goes) so I wouldn't mind having one.

There is a certain charm to the old battle rifles.

FAL
G3
HK-91
Cetme L
Cetme C
SKS
AK-47

etc etc

I can go on and on, but I think you get it.

I love the newer stuff and how light it is, but I would like to see an AR that has been to hell and back like some of these battle rifles that are 50+ years old and see if they age as well. They were built like tanks, and most of the old ones are prolly a hell of a lot better than the repros.

Yeah I know PTR makes new reproductions, but they have their place, at least in my safe lol.

Anyway, back to you question, I would get it if the price wasn't crazy!!

 

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Thanks for all the input. The person looking at different 7.62 x 39 rifles appreciates it.

 

[Farmplinker]

They are on Gen 2. Apparently the first batch had some reliability issues. Should work, but might be mag finicky.

 

[moona11]

PTR makes good stuff, never fired the 7.62x39 version. The receiver looks a bit like a Galil (least where the mag goes) so I wouldn't mind having one.

There is a certain charm to the old battle rifles.

FAL
G3
HK-91
Cetme L
Cetme C
SKS
AK-47

etc etc

I can go on and on, but I think you get it.

I love the newer stuff and how light it is, but I would like to see an AR that has been to hell and back like some of these battle rifles that are 50+ years old and see if they age as well. They were built like tanks, and most of the old ones are prolly a hell of a lot better than the repros.

Yeah I know PTR makes new reproductions, but they have their place, at least in my safe lol.

Anyway, back to you question, I would get it if the price wasn't crazy!!

The ARs that shoot 7.62 x 39 are pointless imo. Use a commie gun thats built for it or a mimi 30. On that note AKs that shoot 5.56 are just as stupid.

 

[Visper]

The ARs that shoot 7.62 x 39 are pointless imo. Use a commie gun thats built for it or a mimi 30. On that note AKs that shoot 5.56 are just as stupid.

I agree, that's what 300AAC is for, ballistics very similar!! But those can get expensive to shoot unless you reload - hence the AK round. I get it but tend to lean towards your view.

As for the AK, Valmet (5.56) yes, it's fine, same with a Galil. Those are variants though.

True AK is 7.62x39 or 5.45x39.

 

[moona11]

I agree, that's what 300AAC is for, ballistics very similar!! But those can get expensive to shoot unless you reload - hence the AK round. I get it but tend to lean towards your view.

As for the AK, Valmet (5.56) yes, it's fine, same with a Galil. Those are variants though.

True AK is 7.62x39 or 5.45x39.

To many issues on the AR side for it.

 

[ajole]

The ARs that shoot 7.62 x 39 are pointless imo. Use a commie gun thats built for it or a mimi 30. On that note AKs that shoot 5.56 are just as stupid.

AK's that shoot 5.56 are just AK's that shot 5.45, and then got upgraded. The Czecks and the Poles build good guns.

When I can build an AR that shoots AK ammo for less than I can buy an AK...I don't think that's pointless.

 

[TNTRAILERTRASH]

To many issues on the AR side for it.

Those issues have been addressed. Better bolt designs. Don't use ASC, or Promag. Duramag is the ticket.

 

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I agree with Tennessee. They have 7.62 x 39 AR-15 rifles that work good with Duramag magazines. I know someone that has shot hundreds of steel cased 7.62 x 39 rounds through his AR-15 with the Duramag (also called C-Products) magazines with no problems.

(The 7.62 x 39 AR-15 Duramag magazine capacities are 10, 20, 28 and 30 round.)

 

[moona11]

I agree with Tennessee. They have 7.62 x 39 AR-15 rifles that work good with Duramag magazines. I know someone that has shot hundreds of steel cased 7.62 x 39 rounds through his AR-15 with the Duramag (also called C-Products) magazines with no problems.

(The 7.62 x 39 AR-15 Duramag magazine capacities are 10, 20, 28 and 30 round.)

Hundreds you say. Wow

You can like what you and trashy like. I prefer commie guns for commie rounds. I just think they run better in certain platforms. I don't shoot Hundreds of rounds through my guns.

 

[Think1st]

AKs that shoot 5.56 are just as stupid.

I don't know, man. That Zastava M90 is pretty cool. I had a real conundrum trying to decide between it and the 5.56 Galil Ace Gen 2, but I went with the Galil Ace just because I wanted a harder branch off from the more traditional AK-pattern rifles I already have. I still want the M90.

I'm with you to a certain extent regarding ARs shooting the 7.62x39 round, but that's more from a mechanical perspective than a tradition perspective. If I had a machine shop and the machining skills to do it, I'd make a polymer-stocked M1 Garand chambered in 7.62x54R just for kicks and follow that up with a polymer-stocked SKS chambered in 5.56 NATO.

 

[Farmplinker]

I agree with Tennessee. They have 7.62 x 39 AR-15 rifles that work good with Duramag magazines. I know someone that has shot hundreds of steel cased 7.62 x 39 rounds through his AR-15 with the Duramag (also called C-Products) magazines with no problems.

(The 7.62 x 39 AR-15 Duramag magazine capacities are 10, 20, 28 and 30 round.)

Isn't Duramag made by ASC?

 

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Isn't Duramag made by ASC?

No. Duramag is an entirely different company. They make good quality products to my understanding.

Here is Duramag's website here:

DuraMag

USPS

dura-mag.com

Ammunition Storage Components (A.S.C.) does not manufacture products near the quality that Duramag does.