question on concealed carry

Discussion in 'CCW & Open Carry' started by Rob, Mar 13, 2008.

  1. when you get the permit, is it only for concealed carry? can you carry it
    on your hip out in the open? just wondering.
     
  2. From what I understand, it's ONLY for concealed carry. In fact, I believe you can get into a good deal of trouble for having your firearm visable.

    EDIT: Keep in mind that each state is different (I believe Utah has legal open carry, for instance) but generally speaking, I don't believe open carry is allowed, even with a CCW.
     

  3. Search your State's websites for the "official" description of what your carry permit allows. Here in Tennessee the permit is a carry permit which allows you to carry concealed or open and to carry as many hand guns that you own. WooHoo, redneck heaven! :lol:
     
  4. +1.......
    "From what I understand, it's ONLY for concealed carry. In fact, I believe you can get into a good deal of trouble for having your firearm visable".

    Check the web for the different laws pertaining to that state otherwise we are going to hear from all 50 states on this thread! (lol) :lol: :lol:
     
  5. There is only one answer to this question. Check your state laws. In the last 5 years I have lived in VA & NH. In both states, carrying an exposed firearm on your hip in public is perfectly acceptable. In NH, they are sticklers for unloaded while in the car if you do not have a permit. In VA, loaded on the dash was just fine.

    Please check your state laws for yourself, and do not take anyone's word for it.
     
  6. Check opencarry.org. There you will find laws pertaining to each state and what is required for open carry. You will see the link to the forums, where there is a lot of good help from people like myself who open carry almost every day. In places like Virginia, Utah, Washington, Nevada, it's getting a lot of acceptance, and you shouldn't have much trouble. Usually no CC permit is required to open carry, which is one of the benefits to it, so you aren't on the "list", so to speak.

    I would definitely check the website for your state's laws, and introduce yourself on the OC Forums! Just remember to be ready for questions from a uneducated public, and sometimes even LEOs are misinformed to the law and what rights you have, since not many people OC yet, although it is a growing minority. You will have to be a good messenger when it comes to informing the uninformed of yours and their rights about open carry.
     
  7. Actually I just checked for you, and this is straight from the source:

    "Mississippi is an open carry state and the state constitution appears to guarantee this right. Further, localities are generally preempted under state law from enacting local gun control ordnances that might restrict open carry. However, Miss. Code §§ 97-37-1 & § 45-9-101 operate together to ban carriage of a handgun "concealed in whole or in part" unless the carrier is inside a motor vehicle or possesses a License to Carry a Concealed Pistol or Revolver. As the Mississippi courts have said that a handgun in a holster is concealed in part, a License to Carry a Concealed Pistol or Revolver is required to openly carry a handgun in a holster in Mississippi."

    So basically, you must have a CCW to carry your gun on you, but once you have that CCW, as you do, you can choose whether you want to carry it concealed or open. The choice is yours.
     
  8. Wow, nice set up there for you! I just found out that Wisconsin is an open carry state, but you can't carry in a vehicle, so basically, if I want to walk where I'm going, I can put a holster on my hip and be A OK! Of course, in reality, people would probably be freaked out and I'd get nothing but crap from the police, but at least now I know :)
     
  9. Too bad the "Wild West" stops at the California State line!! That's why I'm happy to live in Nevada. Although you don't see it much, open carry is legal here. I have also heard of incidents (rare) where issue was made because the weapon was only visible on the carry side and "concealed" from the view of anyone approaching you from the other side. Doesn't happen often, but remember LEO's have bad days too.
     
  10. elguapo

    elguapo Guest

    Open Carry is legal here in AZ. Problem is, the line gets blurred quick fast and in a hurry, if your tshirt covers just a portion of that open carry piece: Cops can go ballistic, and call that concealed. Same as when inside a vehicle.
    I chose to get one, so I am covered both sides, but for the most part, carry concealed.
     
  11. cool! thanks for the info guys. i will be getting my concealed carry permit shortly. 127.00 for 4 years.
     
  12. wow nh is $15 for 3 years.
     
  13. well, its 100.00 for the permit and 27.00 for "processing"........
     
  14. Here in WV...after taking a Concealed Weapons Class, which is usually $40 to $50 dollars...you pay at time of application to the Sheriff's Department $75.00 and when the application is approved you pay an additional $15 dollars for the permit...tack on another $2.00 if you want to have the permit reduced to wallet size and laminated.

    Total cost, including the class I too, was $132.00 ($92 for the actual permit + $40 for the class. The permit here in WV is good for 5 years.

    As for open carry in WV...from what I have read...it is our state constitutional right to keep and bear arms, having the permit helps in that if your jacket would cover the pistol/revolver you would be covered for having a concealed weapon.
     
  15. BSK

    BSK Guest

    http://www.mscode.com/free/statutes/45/009/0101.htm

    SEC. 45-9-101. License to carry concealed pistol or revolver.

    (1) (a) The Department of Public Safety is authorized to issue licenses to carry concealed pistols or revolvers to persons qualified as provided in this section. Such licenses shall be valid throughout the state for a period of four (4) years from the date of issuance. Any person possessing a valid license issued pursuant to this section may carry a concealed pistol or concealed revolver.

    (b) The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is carrying a concealed pistol or revolver and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. A violation of the provisions of this paragraph (b) shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of Twenty-five Dollars ($25.00) and shall be enforceable by summons.

    (2) The Department of Public Safety shall issue a license if the applicant:

    (a) Is a resident of the state and has been a resident for twelve (12) months or longer immediately preceding the filing of the application. However, this residency requirement may be waived, provided the applicant possesses a valid permit from another state, is active military personnel stationed in Mississippi or is a retired law enforcement officer establishing residency in the state.

    (b) Is twenty-one (21) years of age or older;

    (c) Does not suffer from a physical infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a pistol or revolver;

    (d) Is not ineligible to possess a firearm by virtue of having been convicted of a felony in a court of this state, of any other state, or of the United States without having been pardoned for same;

    (e) Does not chronically or habitually abuse controlled substances to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired. It shall be presumed that an applicant chronically and habitually uses controlled substances to the extent that his faculties are impaired if the applicant has been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to a treatment facility for the abuse of a controlled substance or been found guilty of a crime under the provisions of the Uniform Controlled Substances Law or similar laws of any other state or the United States relating to controlled substances within a three-year period immediately preceding the date on which the application is submitted;

    (f) Does not chronically and habitually use alcoholic beverages to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired. It shall be presumed that an applicant chronically and habitually uses alcoholic beverages to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired if the applicant has been voluntarily or involuntarily committed as an alcoholic to a treatment facility or has been convicted of two (2) or more offenses related to the use of alcohol under the laws of this state or similar laws of any other state or the United States within the three-year period immediately preceding the date on which the application is submitted;

    (g) Desires a legal means to carry a concealed pistol or revolver to defend himself;

    (h) Has not been adjudicated mentally incompetent, or has waited five (5) years from the date of his restoration to capacity by court order;

    (i) Has not been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to a mental institution or mental health treatment facility unless he possesses a certificate from a psychiatrist licensed in this state that he has not suffered from disability for a period of five (5) years;

    (j) Has not had adjudication of guilt withheld or imposition of sentence suspended on any felony unless three (3) years have elapsed since probation or any other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled; * * *

    (k) Is not a fugitive from justice; and

    (l) Is not disqualified to possess or own a weapon based on federal law.

    (3) The Department of Public Safety may deny a license if the applicant has been found guilty of one or more crimes of violence constituting a misdemeanor unless three (3) years have elapsed since probation or any other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled or expunction has occurred prior to the date on which the application is submitted, or may revoke a license if the licensee has been found guilty of one or more crimes of violence within the preceding three (3) years. The department shall, upon notification by a law enforcement agency or a court and subsequent written verification, suspend a license or the processing of an application for a license if the licensee or applicant is arrested or formally charged with a crime which would disqualify such person from having a license under this section, until final disposition of the case. The provisions of subsection (7) of this section shall apply to any suspension or revocation of a license pursuant to the provisions of this section.

    (4) The application shall be completed, under oath, on a form promulgated by the Department of Public Safety and shall include only:

    (a) The name, address, place and date of birth, race, sex and occupation of the applicant;

    (b) The driver's license number or Social Security number of applicant;

    (c) Any previous address of the applicant for the two (2) years preceding the date of the application;

    (d) A statement that the applicant is in compliance with criteria contained within subsections (2) and (3) of this section;

    (e) A statement that the applicant has been furnished a copy of this section and is knowledgeable of its provisions;

    (f) A conspicuous warning that the application is executed under oath and that a knowingly false answer to any question, or the knowing submission of any false document by the applicant, subjects the applicant to criminal prosecution; and

    (g) A statement that the applicant desires a legal means to carry a concealed pistol or revolver to defend himself.

    (5) The applicant shall submit only the following to the Department of Public Safety:

    (a) A completed application as described in subsection (4) of this section;

    (b) A full-face photograph of the applicant;

    (c) A nonrefundable license fee of One Hundred Dollars ($100.00). Costs for processing the set of fingerprints as required in paragraph (c) of this subsection shall be borne by the applicant. Honorably retired law enforcement officers shall be exempt from the payment of the license fee;

    (d) A full set of fingerprints of the applicant administered by the Department of Public Safety; and

    (e) A waiver authorizing the Department of Public Safety access to any records concerning commitments of the applicant to any of the treatment facilities or institutions referred to in subsection (2) and permitting access to all the applicant's criminal records.

    (6) (a) The Department of Public Safety, upon receipt of the items listed in subsection (5) of this section, shall forward the full set of fingerprints of the applicant to the appropriate agencies for state and federal processing.

    (b) The Department of Public Safety shall forward a copy of the applicant's application to the sheriff of the applicant's county of residence and, if applicable, the police chief of the applicant's municipality of residence. The sheriff of the applicant's county of residence and, if applicable, the police chief of the applicant's municipality of residence may, at his discretion, participate in the process by submitting a voluntary report to the Department of Public Safety containing any readily discoverable prior information that he feels may be pertinent to the licensing of any applicant. The reporting shall be made within thirty (30) days after the date he receives the copy of the application. Upon receipt of a response from a sheriff or police chief, such sheriff or police chief shall be reimbursed at a rate set by the department.

    (c) The Department of Public Safety shall, within one hundred twenty (120) days after the date of receipt of the items listed in subsection (5) of this section:

    (i) Issue the license; or

    (ii) Deny the application based solely on the ground that the applicant fails to qualify under the criteria listed in subsections (2) and (3) of this section. If the Department of Public Safety denies the application, it shall notify the applicant in writing, stating the ground for denial, and the denial shall be subject to the appeal process set forth in subsection (7).

    (d) In the event a legible set of fingerprints, as determined by the Department of Public Safety and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, cannot be obtained after a minimum of two (2) attempts, the Department of Public Safety shall determine eligibility based upon a name check by the Mississippi Highway Safety Patrol and a Federal Bureau of Investigation name check conducted by the Mississippi Highway Safety Patrol at the request of the Department of Public Safety.

    (7) (a) If the Department of Public Safety denies the issuance of a license, or suspends or revokes a license, the party aggrieved may appeal such denial, suspension or revocation to the Commissioner of Public Safety, or his authorized agent, within thirty (30) days after the aggrieved party receives written notice of such denial, suspension or revocation. The Commissioner of Public Safety, or his duly authorized agent, shall rule upon such appeal within thirty (30) days after the appeal is filed and failure to rule within this thirty-day period shall constitute sustaining such denial, suspension or revocation. Such review shall be conducted pursuant to such reasonable rules and regulations as the Commissioner of Public Safety may adopt.

    (b) If the revocation, suspension or denial of issuance is sustained by the Commissioner of Public Safety, or his duly authorized agent pursuant to paragraph (a) of this subsection, the aggrieved party may file within ten (10) days after the rendition of such decision a petition in the circuit or county court of his residence for review of such decision. A hearing for review shall be held and shall proceed before the court without a jury upon the record made at the hearing before the Commissioner of Public Safety or his duly authorized agent. No such party shall be allowed to carry a concealed pistol or revolver pursuant to the provisions of this section while any such appeal is pending.

    (8) The Department of Public Safety shall maintain an automated listing of license holders and such information shall be available on-line, upon request, at all times, to all law enforcement agencies through the Mississippi Crime Information Center. However, the records of the department relating to applications for licenses to carry concealed pistols or revolvers and records relating to license holders shall be exempt from the provisions of the Mississippi Public Records Act of 1983 for a period of forty-five (45) days from the date of the issuance of the license or the final denial of an application.

    (9) Within thirty (30) days after the changing of a permanent address, or within thirty (30) days after having a license lost or destroyed, the licensee shall notify the Department of Public Safety in writing of such change or loss. Failure to notify the Department of Public Safety pursuant to the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of Twenty-five Dollars ($25.00) and shall be enforceable by a summons.

    (10) In the event that a concealed pistol or revolver license is lost or destroyed, the person to whom the license was issued shall comply with the provisions of subsection (9) of this section and may obtain a duplicate, or substitute thereof, upon payment of Fifteen Dollars ($15.00) to the Department of Public Safety, and furnishing a notarized statement to the department that such license has been lost or destroyed.

    (11) A license issued under this section shall be revoked if the licensee becomes ineligible under the criteria set forth in subsection (2) of this section.

    (12) No less than ninety (90) days prior to the expiration date of the license, the Department of Public Safety shall mail to each licensee a written notice of the expiration and a renewal form prescribed by the department. The licensee must renew his license on or before the expiration date by filing with the department the renewal form, a notarized affidavit stating that the licensee remains qualified pursuant to the criteria specified in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, and a full set of fingerprints administered by the Department of Public Safety. A renewal fee of Fifty Dollars ($50.00) shall also be submitted along with costs for processing the fingerprints; provided, however, that honorably retired law enforcement officers shall be exempt from this renewal fee. The Department of Public Safety shall forward the full set of fingerprints of the applicant to the appropriate agencies for state and federal processing. The license shall be renewed upon receipt of the completed renewal application and appropriate payment of fees. Additionally, a licensee who fails to file a renewal application on or before its expiration date must renew his license by paying a late fee of Fifteen Dollars ($15.00). No license shall be renewed six (6) months or more after its expiration date, and such license shall be deemed to be permanently expired. A person whose license has been permanently expired may reapply for licensure; however, an application for licensure and fees pursuant to subsection (5) of this section must be submitted, and a background investigation shall be conducted pursuant to the provisions of this section.

    (13) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed pistol or revolver into any place of nuisance as defined in Section 95-3-1, Mississippi Code of 1972; any police, sheriff or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section shall preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his courtroom; any polling place; any meeting place of the governing body of any governmental entity; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any public park unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity; any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any portion of an establishment, licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, that is primarily devoted to dispensing alcoholic beverages; any portion of an establishment in which beer or light wine is consumed on the premises, that is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any junior college, community college, college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity; inside the passenger terminal of any airport, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal if the firearm is encased for shipment, for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; any church or other place of worship; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. In addition to the places enumerated in this subsection, the carrying of a concealed pistol or revolver may be disallowed in any place in the discretion of the person or entity exercising control over the physical location of such place by the placing of a written notice clearly readable at a distance of not less than ten (10) feet that the "carrying of a pistol or revolver is prohibited." No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize the participants in a parade or demonstration for which a permit is required to carry a concealed pistol or revolver.

    (14) A law enforcement officer as defined in Section 45-6-3, chiefs of police, sheriffs and persons licensed as professional bondsmen pursuant to Chapter 39, Title 83, Mississippi Code of 1972, shall be exempt from the licensing requirements of this section.

    (15) Any person who knowingly submits a false answer to any question on an application for a license issued pursuant to this section, or who knowingly submits a false document when applying for a license issued pursuant to this section, shall, upon conviction, be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished as provided in Section 99-19-31, Mississippi Code of 1972.

    (16) All fees collected by the Department of Public Safety pursuant to this section shall be deposited into a special fund hereby created in the State Treasury and shall be used for implementation and administration of this section. After the close of each fiscal year the balance in this fund shall be certified to the Legislature and then may be used by the Department of Public Safety as directed by the Legislature.

    (17) All funds received by a sheriff or police chief pursuant to the provisions of this section shall be deposited into the general fund of the county or municipality, as appropriate, and shall be budgeted to the sheriff's office or police department as appropriate.

    (18) Nothing in this section shall be construed to require or allow the registration, documentation or providing of serial numbers with regard to any firearm. Further, nothing in this section shall be construed to allow the open and unconcealed carrying of any deadly weapon as described in Section 97-37-1, Mississippi Code of 1972.

    (19) Any person holding a valid unrevoked and unexpired license to carry concealed pistols or revolvers issued in another state * * * shall have such license recognized by this state to carry concealed pistols or revolvers, provided that the issuing state authorizes license holders from this state to carry concealed pistols or revolvers in such issuing state and the appropriate authority has communicated that fact to the Department of Public Safety.

    (20) The provisions of this section shall be under the supervision of the Commissioner of Public Safety. The commissioner is authorized to promulgate reasonable rules and regulations to carry out the provisions of this section.
     
  16. thats some good info. thanks!
     
  17. NH, 3 years for $15.00? I thought it was 4 years for $10.00 (resident).

    AS OF OCTOBER 2004- "The fee for the license is $10.00 and the license is valid for not more than four years".
    "A non-resident may obtain a license to carry by applying to the director of state police. He must meet requirements; and pay a fee of $20".
    Maybe it's changed????