Red Flag Gun Confiscation for Military Personnel Passes House of Representatives

So we don’t have anybody in our military that suffers from mental episodes? We don’t have any in our military with criminal intend?
We don’t have any in our military that rape and murder?
That’s right, all stockades and military prisons are empty.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaness...-specialist-woman-says-in-criminal-complaint/

Somehow you really believe that a relative shouldn’t have the possibility to red flag this guy ?

 

I fully expected it. Agreed, a anti gun bill from the Socialist (you may call them Dumbocrats)? SHOCKING
They wont stop until we are all in prisons or holes in the ground and the guns are ash trays (forgot you cant smoke either) and paperclips.
That's fine but I'll start carrying a hammer. Plenty of people will be stabbed to death with screw drivers.

 

@SWAGA , and that is different from civilians... how? There are already procedures in the US military Uniform Code of Justice that deals with the same sort of crimes.

I'm not surprised that many Republicans went all in on this bill. For the last couple decades, its been pretty clear the "party differences" are just on paper and in sound bites, but they're the same stinking, festering, corrupt people. Self interest and getting kickbacks/donations/contributions for themselves, the lot of them need changing. 470 positions are open this coming November. Good chance as any to really change the numbers, ans get new people, maybe new parties in significant numbers... break the two party hegemony... ah but that's just a fantasy because most voters are gonna ignore the content and vote entirely based on the letter by the names

 

Seems like a politically charged thread. My first instinct is to ignore it. Hopefully its ok if I ask one question. Who said this? "We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court."

I fear it will get passed.

 

Please show me the Red Flag part of the bill.

I see a domestic violence protection order section, which reads pretty much like any state's similar law. Where, when the protection order is granted, firearm restriction may be part of the order.

 

That would be nice

 

The actual text is not yet available, but the committe report's wording on the applicable section is as follows"

"Section 542--Authority of Military Judges and Military Magistrates to
Issue Military Court Protective Orders

This section would authorize military magistrates and military judges to issue Military Court Protective Orders for the purpose of protecting a victim of an alleged sex or domestic violence offense, or a family member or associate of the victim, from a person subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

The OMB report states the administration's objection to this section because protective order mechanisms already exist through the local civilian court systems, and commanders already have authority to issue protective orders. The OMB report further states that this section would excessively burden the military court system, a system which is already heavily stretched.

 

I don't see anything wrong with that

 

Sure....there isn’t anything wrong with letting a pissed off ex report you to three different agencies in an attempt to screw up your life, and you having to prove innocence in direct contravention of the way the Constitution is written regarding innocence until proven guilty.

Nothing wrong with that at all.

The system was already in place for two separate systems to do just that. A third is just stupid.

 

Command decisions on charges and accusations have a huge history of abuse and neglect. JAG should be used this bill seems to help. Maybe??

You or I don't have enough info on what the bill actually says.

 

You aren’t wrong about either of those things.

 

You're right. We don't know enough about it, and commanders have a history of dropping the ball. I will not get into specifics, but have seen the results on multiple occasions in the past.

With that being said, there need to be safeguards in place to protect Soldiers from their poorly chosen dependents. Many a young troop has had his life turned upside down and inside out because of a spouse or girlfriend who is on the way out for poor conduct in the relationship and who decides to take Joe down on the way out.

Also, I have seen how slowly the military justice system runs. A protective order involving a military judge could easily exceed the two weeks granted wrongfully accused individuals under civilian red flag laws.

But, like we all agree, we don't have the full text yet, so we can't do more than assume that this will be what we assume it to be. Personally, I'm not a fan of anything that deprives Soldiers of their private property without due process. I don't like red flag laws as they exist for that reason, and if this section mirrors existing red flag laws, I certainly won't approve of it.

If it has strong safeguards in place, I'll be more positive about it.

 

They’re not allowed to carry on-base now why would they need to be exempt from red flag laws off-base?

 

Base housing.

eldar

 

They're not exempt from Red Flag laws on post. Many places have concurrent jurisdiction with the state government on several matters. It's why being on post wouldn't protect someone from a locally-issued protective order.