Reflex sight mounting question

Discussion in 'Hi-Point Carbines' started by mike62, Sep 23, 2020.

  1. mike62

    mike62 Member

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    I purchased a reflex sight a few years back and never took out of box.

    I have a new 995TS and mounted it but could never get the illuminated reticle to go low enough to center over the gun sight at the end of the barrel. It came within maybe 1/8 inch or less. Didn't I see this as an illustration somewhere and it's possible?

    The sight does fit on the rail although the dial to change the settings is partially obscured but I won't be changing it. I don't want to remove all the factory hardware on top though.

    Is it this reflex or do I need something to give slight elevation to the rear of the sight so it would overlay the barrel sight?

    Thanks.
     
  2. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

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  3. undeRGRound

    undeRGRound ROLL wif Da MOLE! Supporting Member

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    I'm with SWAGA, not sure what you are describing, exactly. But I can tell you this:
    DO NOT RAISE the rear of the reflex sight, that will mess everything up! That is only done for extreme long range shooting, well beyond the range of the 995. Like 1000m shooting with a high powered rifle! I purchased a 20 (or 30) MOA riser for a 1000m rifle set up I have assembled. The rear is taller than the front. Just a hair!

    I can't tell you what you have, but I can tell you that you can SHOOT IT and then adjust the reflex. It definitely reads like you have not shot it with the reflex yet. 95% of the questions we get here seem to be people overthinking things before they shoot a new HP or a new setup like this. Shoot it, Adjust it, and if you can get the same POI with the Reflex as the irons (at your desired range) then it's all good.
     
  4. mike62

    mike62 Member

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    Thank you and I understand. However, regardless of shooting it shouldn't the reticle center or overlay the sight at the barrel end? That's my issue when I mounted and adjusted it down it would not allow me to move the illuminated reticle as low as the gun sight.
     
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  5. mike62

    mike62 Member

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    That is EXACTLY what I'm trying to do just didn't know how to describe or what to call it. Thank you!

    I think your great illustration explaining it better tells me I want the absolute cowitness.

    I feel it would help me pick up the iron sight faster as it would stick out better. Is this not a preferred technique?
     
  6. undeRGRound

    undeRGRound ROLL wif Da MOLE! Supporting Member

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    Depends on the height of your comfort zone and cheek weld while shooting.
    If the stock irons work great for you, then absolute co-witness is best.

    Usually a pistol has the dot above the sights, and it can work because there is no cheek weld. Rifle would have 2 eye/cheek positions w/o absolute co-witness.
     
  7. mike62

    mike62 Member

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    When I adjusted the reticle as low as it would go it was not going far enough down to cover the iron sight as in absolute cowitness.

    Do you think it just a cheap reflex? That's why it won't adjust any lower? I had it flush and tight on the picatinny. It is a no name from Amazon a few years back probably $40.
     
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  8. Think1st

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    It most likely has to do with the combination of the height of your irons and the height of the scope housing. You might want to shoot some groups with the optic just to see how it is zeroed for elevation.
     
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  9. undeRGRound

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    But you are not supposed to adjust the reticle to the sights, you are supposed to adjust to the point of impact on the target. I'd think a bench rest or at least a bipod and sandbags would make it easier. I've had cheap reflex that did A/C (absolute) but in your case, you might have one the needs to be lowered to do that.

    Yours might be out of spec, and only work at 1/3 co-witness :duh:
     
  10. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    It's a weaver rail so only some pic mounts fit, but it sounds like you got it to fit the rail. The irons tend to sit high and I personally went with a lower 1/3 co-witness when I mounted a red dot. It was easier than changing the mounts, and I prefer the lower 1/3 over a true co-witness. For me it was just too busy of a sight picture.
     
  11. mike62

    mike62 Member

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    Actually all new production Hi Point 9mm carbines have switched from Weaver to Picatinny. The rails have a "H" stamped on them now if they're Picatinny.
     
  12. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    I'm going to have to disagree, straight from their website as of 30 seconds ago.
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  13. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    My bad, that was the 10mm. Here's the 995 listing.

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  14. mike62

    mike62 Member

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    Hmmm.. I did not see that. My info came from the HP rep I spoke with on the phone.
     
  15. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    It's understandable. We do get conflicting intel from them once in a while. I don't think it's on purpose. As far a your issue with the RDS. Are you dead set on getting a true co-witness?
     
  16. mike62

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    I am flexible I just like the illustrated depictions I've seen I have not actually shot utilizing absolute or 1/3 co witness. Just liked the thoughts of being able to see that iron sight when it was highlighted via a reticle.
     
  17. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    Well in theory with the lower 1/3 the rds sits above the irons, but you can drop your line of sight to use the irons and the dot should follow to lollipop on the FSP.
     
  18. moona11

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    They are switching rails. Just don't know when or if they started awhile ago. They posted it on Facebook a while back about the change
     
  19. Rachgier

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    That's why you never know with them. They announce stuff that they pretend they're ready to roll out, then it takes a year. My intel has it that they weren't switching over until the retool for the next production run, which should have been after the 4th of July. So it's possible he has a super new one, and not a NOS version.
     
  20. mike62

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    Yes, it was shipped from HP to my local store who was out at the time. Had a 2-3 week wait and got it last week. So they've been doing it at least a month now.