First of all, the background. My local gun shop has a case of these bullets. They are all lubed and ready to go. However they are only 185 grain. There is probably 10 thousand of them in this case. It weighs easily about 60-90 pounds, maybe more. Its about 15 inches wide by 12 inches deep by about 5-6 inches tall. Unbelievably heavy. He wants 149 for the whole giant case of them. Seems to be a decent deal for them but I want to know if they can be either used in 45colt (for my Ruger Blackhawk and Vaquero) or 45ACP (semi auto pistols like an XD45 or a 1911 clone)? My book does show loading for 185 grain semi wad cutters for 45colt but will they make decent loads for cowboy shooting or plinking loads at my outdoor range? And will they feed reliably in a 45acp pistol?