Actually, it kinda does. It's just that SAAMI has no say in it.
Nor does NATO. You can literally stick the word NATO on a box of 22 shells, and no one has a say in that. Obviously, people would KNOW that’s just marketing BS….but so is most of the 9 mm NATO out there.
If you want to be technical, if the brass isn’t marked with the NATO cross in a circle, then it isn’t NATO at all, no matter what the box says on it.
Actually, NATO spec calls out both velocity and max pressure.
Dude…ALL cartridges have a max pressure….THAT isn’t what makes a round NATO. Approaching that is what makes it +P, but….we don’t know if it even comes close.
375 m/s minimum in their test barrel (I think it's 7" long or something)
Less than or equal to 2950 bar, which, after being adjusted for different measuring systems equates to 36,500 psi in SAAMI method (or 37,000 psi radial copper measure).
Yes….yes….let the technical but meaningless data with mixed measurements and units flow through you….
SAAMI max for 9mm Parabellum is 35,000, which is 1,500 psi less than max NATO spec but under the SAAMI max of 38,500 for +P. Anything falling between 35,000 and 38,500 would fall under SAAMI +P specs.
Just FYI…IIRC, those are different max specs. One is an average Max, one is a Max. So not exactly Granny Smith vs Macintosh.
The confusion comes from the fact that the velocity is a required minimum which the pressure is a not-to-be-exceeded maximum.
If the manufacturer can make the minimum velocity without exceeding SAAMI or CIP, then the NATO spec doesn't care.
Yes. My point exactly. Thanks for reiterating it.
BUT NATO spec 9mm might exceed SAAMI max for standard pressure and you have no way to know if it does or doesn't. But NATO pressure spec does fall snugly in between SAAMI max for standard pressure and max for +P. Truthfully, this means that NATO spec 9mm probably is +P, you just don't have any way of knowing for sure.
Oh…and again! Thanks for re-reiterating it.
So, actually, yes, 9mm NATO probably is +P most of the time.
Assuming it’s ACTUALLY NATO spec, and not just 124 grains at some lawyer loaded bottom of the spec velocity with NATO on the box…which is legal….and….
….WHICH IS MY POINT.