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Ruger told me today that while their American magwell adapter is available for the carbine, they are dropping the Ruger American pistol over the next two years.

 

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One of the downsides to 124 grn 9x19mm ammo is that it goes subsonic before 50 yds, hence the Army pistol team switched to 147 grn from the 4.9" bbl Berettas as the bullet never entered transsonic instability. Not a problem from a 16" carbine, of course - I think I worked out in Kuwait at 120 degree temps, I would need a 12.5" bbl to keep 124 supersonic to 50 yds. This may be why the Army switched to the 115 grn round w/ the SIG 320.

 

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And the long story short is, NATO 9mm ammo isn't truly +P because it's a 60/40 chance on the over/under of the SAAMI +P line and SAAMI themselves say its not really +P but it's warmer than the oldest 9mm handguns can handle.

Given that the 124 grn NATO load is eerily similar to the original Imperial German load, I would expect any Luger w/ in spec springs to handle it.

 

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In other words, buy a couple more mags and get something else to use as now I have a discontinued model.

That's my read. I haven't understood Ruger's direction in service pistols since they dropped the P series.

 

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They’re chasing it, rather than leading. Make a gun like everyone else’s, don’t sell as many as the bean counters thought they would, partly because you have 5 different guns competing with themselves, so you obviously need to develop a completely new design…based on everyone else’s.

My guess is the next flavor of the day will be modular.

Expect the next Ruger to be a FCU, that will fit in a duty module, and a compact module, and a race gun module, and a sub compact module….etc.

Modular - like the Ruger American?

https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/RAP-chassisL.jpg

 

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Here's a question for AL and anyone else, but @ajole always has good input on this...

Thinking about a Scope for these here Ruger PCCs and wondering if a BDC is worth the extra $$ or what.

How far are you shooting it, & how much is your drop now w/ your chosen load?

 

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Yes....but with actual parts that go with it. Compare Sig module and accessory availability with Ruger....it's sad for Ruger.

Not on a 9mm, unless you WANT to try to shoot 150 yards with a popgun.

But I'm not afraid to drop a Ruger.

I shot my JHP from kneeling @ 130 yds - it did help the water tank was 6' tall.

 

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A modular chassis Ruger pistol/PCC would be ideal (for my taste). I, personally, would rather have the LC Carbine in 9mm &/or 10mm. I like the common pistol-style manual-of-arms (995ts). A PCC should be lighter and more compact than a true rifle. According to the Fed-bois I have to have a 16+" barrel. But why have the mag and chamber pushed so far forward when you don't need to? It makes the firearm longer/heavier for no good reason. And NO a "forearm brace" is not an answer! Current events anyone? Don't even get me started on buffer tubes on pistol caliber AR's. Plus, not everything needs to be an AR/AK pattern weapon. Dammit.
Yes, I'm done now.

That's the most annoying gif I've seen all day.

I'm most amused by AR-47s that take AK mags & AKs in 5.56x45 that take AR mags & AR furniture. Converging platforms. You're the 2nd person I've seen posting online that you'd like the LC Carbine in 9x19mm. Given that would take away from Ruger PC carbine sales, I don't see them doing that. Why not a SUB-2000?

 

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Franklin Armory has a binary trigger for the Ruger PCC. With the right forend & a Glock drum, you're headed towards Suomi territory.