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My "new job windfall" is going to buy my a new gun. I'm kicking around several ideas ranging from a lightweight .308 AR to a 1911 45ACP +P stoked with 450SMC. But the 5.7x28 is quite intriguing to me. I'm too cheap to ever buy a FN FiveseveN but the Ruger 57 was looking interesting, that is until I stumbled across the PSA 5.7 Rock.

So far, literally, every review I've found of it has been positive. Lower price, decent trigger, more capacity (23+1), more affordable mags, optics ready options...

OTOH, it's out of stock all the time and seems like there's only one company making OWB Kydex for it (WeAreNerd). And it's a "full size handgun" that is a tad longer than the G17 in OAL with more of a slide.

And 5.7 ammo ain't free. I like being able to reload to save money on practice ammo and, as @greg_r has noted, 5.7 ammo has a reputation, at best, for being errr... "fiddly."

But the round is flat shooting, claims 30% less recoil than 9mm, has what looks to me to be good terminal performance, is endorsed by people I trust as being very effective for social work, and, in the event that Russia invades, most of the ammo will penetrate NIJ II soft armor and about 1/3 of boutique commercial offerings will penetrate Level IIIA, and that's nothing to sneeze at.

...still, I'm pretty cheap.

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You might want to consider the 22 TCM. It's easier to reload, comes in different sizes and uses the 1911 build and is every bit as fast and lethal as the 5.7. My only advice is to make sure it fires the 40gn. as well as the 39r. The ammo is cheaper and more plentiful too. Air gun Trigger Gun barrel Gun accessory Wood
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I just custom built this one in commander size but you can get a much cheaper version from Rock Island Arms.
 

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Almost impossible to find 22 TCM here. I have the only firearm that I have seen chambered for it anywhere around and it’s a bolt rifle. I have made a few cases out of 223 just to see how it worked. Make them like I do 300 BLK, it works, but I hzvd several hundred cases, enough to keep me in whistle pig cartridges for a bit.
Outdoor limited has 'em $38.per 100
 

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Everything I see or read says that it can be a fiddly cartridge to reload for. Apparently the 2 big gotchas to watch for are 1) to not damage the coating on the brass and 2) the powder charges have a very narrow min/max spread. Accommodating the first seems pretty simple, just hand wash, hand brush, don't tumble and accept you won't get "shiny" brass to reload. The second is pretty doable as well; the first powder I started with in 9mm is Titegroup. I chose it because it had the lowest powder charges which stretches the number of rounds I can get from a pound. But it's fiddly as the day is long. Depending on the bullet, the blasted powder has a min/max spread of 0.3 to 0.4 grains! The min/max spread on the 5.7 is 0.6 to 0.8 grains depending on bullet and powder. That's literally twice the spread. Much less fiddly than Titegroup. :)

Of course, I'll have to buy dies. Lee makes dies, but they're expensive by Lee standards. $56-ish.

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I tried Lee, rcbs, and Hornady, wound up using the Hornady to get the best results. I also highly recommend getting a Sheridan precision cut away round gauge. It'll show you where you're problems lie if you're having any feed or extraction problems. Here's a new load I'm going to the range with today. 43gn. Solid bullets from Maker with two coats of dry Moly. 6.2 gn. AA #7 powder. CCI Sr primer
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Ammo was delivered last night. Good grief that stuff seems tiny! I understand why it fit so many rounds in a mag and I understand why so many people find it challenging to reload for. Just the case mouth size alone is going to have its own challenges. :)

I'm contemplating building some sort of table-top brass net for when I take it to the outdoor range. PVC and netting or something. Any suggestions?

Now I'm just waiting on my reflex sight. Ammo is expensive enough that I bought a laser bore sighter to do an initial dial-in. I used to have one but I can't find it for the life of me. I probably loaned it to a former friend who just never returned it.

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LOL, on the brass net I purchased a Caldwell " butterfly" net that's adjustable and can either be put on a stand or bench. At that time I only had the FN which throws brass about 20 feet . I was never able to line it up where it caught the lion's share of the brass so I bought approx. 5000 rd.s of once fired brass from a couple different vendors. The indoor range that I shoot the round is open for running combat drills so it isn't too hard to police the area when we're done.
 

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100%, BUY THIS ONE!!!!!!! Caldwell 122-560

You can set it on a bench, mount it on a tripod, it works easily, for rifles or handguns, holds a pile of brass, doesn't mess with the cycling, and is easy to unload.

About $53 at Amazon, and worth it, especially if you do it BEFORE you've spent $100 on three other options that never quite work.
That's the one I have,, didn't work too well with the 5.7.
 

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Running drills is why steel cased ammo is still popular. 👍
I wish that would work for the 5.7! You're right though, when we use 5.56 most of us use the steel. Lately I've been using the .22 conversion kit in mine (makes everyone think I'm running suppressed;)) or I run my 9mm build Musical instrument Bicycle fork Bicycle handlebar Bicycle frame Bicycle part
. Getting back to the 5.7, I'd like to know about the mag holsters. I don't have any that fit properly. I have two pistol holsters that work well, my IWB is a Minatour that's leather and,Kydex. My OWB is a Fleabay carbon fiber generic that fits a multitude of pistols even with a weapon light. Wood Hardwood Auto part Wood stain Fashion accessory
The only downside is that it squeaks like mouse against a leather belt no matter what you put on it (baby powder, cornstarch, silicone, etc.) I just wear a woven belt with it.
 

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After 14 days of waiting for the distributor, Sportswarehouse, to deliver the item to the carrier, I canceled the order. I had used Amazon. I think Sportswarehouse is the official U.S. distributor for ADE but I'm looking around at other options.

If I can't find a good option for the ADE NUWA I might give up and go with something else such as the Romeo ZERO. I guess we'll see what I can find. :)

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Tactical Shit or 2nd amendment warehouse had the 57 on sale ( can't remember which)
 

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I think the problem was that I was doing dry work against a dark background in a fairly dark room and it made even the lowest setting on the reticle pop too much. When I took it to confirm zero today I had to move it up to a high setting and that worked splendiferously.

Here's my 75 ft target:
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The blur you're referring to is one of the main differences between an inexpensive and higher priced optics in my experience. I just went for an overdue eye exam. The ophthalmologist sent me to a retinal specialist. She injected dye through my hand and did a multi -layer scan. My right eye is showing early stage signs of macular degeneration. The end result being that crosshairs appear ever so slightly wavy. I now have the priviledge of 6 month follow ups to make sure it's not progressing because of my recently diagnosed Diabetes. I have one scope (Vector 6x18 FFP) that has a dot in the center of the crosshairs that lights up. It's now my favorite deer scope.
 

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The blur you're referring to is one of the main differences between an inexpensive and higher priced optics in my experience. I just went for an overdue eye exam. The ophthalmologist sent me to a retinal specialist. She injected dye through my hand and did a multi -layer scan. My right eye is showing early stage signs of macular degeneration. The end result being that crosshairs appear ever so slightly wavy. I now have the priviledge of 6 month follow ups to make sure it's not progressing because of my recently diagnosed Diabetes. I have one scope (Vector 6x18 FFP) that has a dot in the center of the crosshairs that lights up. It's now my favorite deer scope.
If you shot that at 75ft. offhand with a pistol You have much better eye sight than me and definitely better control!👌
 

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Yeah, that could be. I used a dark background in a dim room so that I could align the bore sight and the reflex easily. But the dark-n-dark made the low setting on the reflex more than just pop. When I took the same setup outside on a normal, slightly cloudy, day, I had to move the setting up to middle and it was just fine.

Yikes! Man, that stuff is no joke. Take care of your self.

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Thanks Kirk, Actually my doctor has been telling me I'm pre-diabetic for years. My most recent physical revealed that I graduated according to him. My A1c is at 6.5 which my son (who is a PharmD) told me is no longer considered Diabetic. In any case I begrudgingly joined Weight Watchers and am trying to lose about 40lb.s which should help lower it. I believe that is the main contributing factor to the eye condition. There isn't any thing else that can be done at this stage.
 

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The actual penetrator rounds aren't available for civilians.
Actually the red box 27 gn. Ammo. marked " military and law enforcement only" has been available to the public for several years. I believe Fiocchi is discontinuing it now though so it's hard to find. That ammo WILL penetrate level 3a body armor. I've tested it with some of my law enforcement buddies.
 
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