Seriously thinking about 5.7

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lklawson

Discussion Starter · 8 mo ago

My "new job windfall" is going to buy my a new gun. I'm kicking around several ideas ranging from a lightweight .308 AR to a 1911 45ACP +P stoked with 450SMC. But the 5.7x28 is quite intriguing to me. I'm too cheap to ever buy a FN FiveseveN but the Ruger 57 was looking interesting, that is until I stumbled across the PSA 5.7 Rock.

So far, literally, every review I've found of it has been positive. Lower price, decent trigger, more capacity (23+1), more affordable mags, optics ready options...

OTOH, it's out of stock all the time and seems like there's only one company making OWB Kydex for it (WeAreNerd). And it's a "full size handgun" that is a tad longer than the G17 in OAL with more of a slide.

And 5.7 ammo ain't free. I like being able to reload to save money on practice ammo and, as @greg_r has noted, 5.7 ammo has a reputation, at best, for being errr... "fiddly."

But the round is flat shooting, claims 30% less recoil than 9mm, has what looks to me to be good terminal performance, is endorsed by people I trust as being very effective for social work, and, in the event that Russia invades, most of the ammo will penetrate NIJ II soft armor and about 1/3 of boutique commercial offerings will penetrate Level IIIA, and that's nothing to sneeze at.

...still, I'm pretty cheap.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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greg_r

· #41 · 8 mo ago

Can not say i am not intrigued by the Ruger 57 & LC combo, but one thing this thread gave me was more of a desire for the 22 TCM.

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Visper

· #42 · 8 mo ago

lklawson said:
I decided to buy it. Checked out and paid, being delivered to a local FFL I like.

Now all I need is ammo, a holster, and an RDS and I'll be ready for the mall.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Pick her up yet? You decide on optic?

Been busy with Florida house stuff so haven't even shot mine... great having someone else doing legwork lol.

lklawson

Discussion Starter · #43 · 8 mo ago

Visper said:
Pick her up yet? You decide on optic?

Been busy with Florida house stuff so haven't even shot mine... great having someone else doing legwork lol.

I don't think it's shipped yet. I'll have to check with the LGS. Normally, they call me when stuff comes in.

As for optics, I'm unsure. I like the Sig on my Mossy but I keep hearing good things about Swampfox and I think one of those will fit.

Of course I don't have any ammo yet either.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Visper

· #44 · 8 mo ago

lklawson said:
I don't think it's shipped yet. I'll have to check with the LGS. Normally, they call me when stuff comes in.

As for optics, I'm unsure. I like the Sig on my Mossy but I keep hearing good things about Swampfox and I think one of those will fit.

Of course I don't have any ammo yet either.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Man, PSA slacking... Yeah it is cut for shield (aka your mini sig). Swamp fox and Holosun (407/507) should fit too from what I have read, just don't have an extra of those sitting around lol. Or you could just buy a Shield sight... but they are pricey...

It does come with an RMR and Doctor plate but that is going to raise your red dot higher, meaning you will need suppressor height sights to co-witness.

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Red won't work, but DPP can get expensive.
Blue are the ones I am considering.
Black is a maybe - read some decent things on it.

Just an FYI - SigRomeoZero has a pro model with a circle/dot. I picked one up cheap a few months back, I may just use that on it. Right now it is on a different gun with an adapter plate rmr to rmsc, would be nice to ditch that plate and put it on the 5.7 Rock. Can always pick up a cheapish RMR for the other one.

Pretty sure I posted this link before but this is a great sight for mini red dot optic cuts/dimensions etc.

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ajole

· #45 · 8 mo ago

I just put the basic Sig Romoeo zero on my P365, it was $120 at Sportsmans Warehouse. It's all polymer. They have a lot of RDS's on sale right now.

I ordered a Swampfox Justice for the XDM, about $200, I was looking at Holosun solar, but the were at least $80 more, and I can buy a lot of batteries for that.

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RACHGIER

· #46 · 8 mo ago

Well since I'm part of the cool kids too...

I really like the 3moa Vortex Venom I have on the G20, and I also had the opportunity to shoot the heck out of the Viper as well. The Viper is made for pistols. Thinner, lower profile, bigger dot, etc but the battery cover is underneath. So you have to take it off the pistol to change it. That's why I went with the Venom. The Venom's battery is right on top. I read a bunch of issues about the battery cover, but I guess I got a good one or applied some sort of mechanical wizardry because the cover was not an issue at all.

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lklawson

Discussion Starter · #47 · 8 mo ago

Visper said:
Black is a maybe - read some decent things on it.

I agree that the NUWA Pro sounds very interesting. I might go ahead and get that one based on some of the reviews I've seen.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Visper

· #48 · 8 mo ago

RACHGIER said:
Well since I'm part of the cool kids too...

I really like the 3moa Vortex Venom I have on the G20, and I also had the opportunity to shoot the heck out of the Viper as well. The Viper is made for pistols. Thinner, lower profile, bigger dot, etc but the battery cover is underneath. So you have to take it off the pistol to change it. That's why I went with the Venom. The Venom's battery is right on top. I read a bunch of issues about the battery cover, but I guess I got a good one or applied some sort of mechanical wizardry because the cover was not an issue at all.

I have a 6moa Venom, I know the Viper was 'supposedly" made more for pistols but I hate the rear locking screws, PITA if you have a co-witnessed rear sight.

To me the Venom IS the choice for pistols, especially with the 6 moa dot version. The viper is perfect for a 45 deg offset back up sight, it's not a primary so no big deal pulling it off to change the battery and its small so doesn't add a lot of weight to your AR.

It's not always the smallest sight that is best on a pistol my 34 has a monster on there but it's a nice big sight picture with a 3 moa dot. This pistol isn't made for SD per se but I still love it. That is a Bushnell First Strike 2.0 Reflex Sight.

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Visper

· #49 · 8 mo ago

ajole said:
I just put the basic Sig Romoeo zero on my P365, it was $120 at Sportsmans Warehouse. It's all polymer. They have a lot of RDS's on sale right now.

I ordered a Swampfox Justice for the XDM, about $200, I was looking at Holosun solar, but the were at least $80 more, and I can buy a lot of batteries for that.

Yeah, they are giving those away at the moment. Thinking maybe a new model coming out? I go one (odg version) with a grip module (also odg) for my 365x. Think I got it for $79 + shipping.

If yours didnt come with it get the steel shield - makes it way more durable.

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Visper

· #50 · 8 mo ago

Yeah a Circle dot wit

lklawson said:
I agree that the NUWA Pro sounds very interesting. I might go ahead and get that one based on some of the reviews I've seen.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Yeah, a circle dot with that small footprint for $100ish is very tempting to try...

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lklawson

Discussion Starter · #51 · 7 mo ago

Visper said:
Yeah a Circle dot wit

Yeah, a circle dot with that small footprint for $100ish is very tempting to try...

I went ahead and bought it. Total delivered w/ taxes & shipping $123.15 Supposed to be delivered this week or early next.

PSA says that they shipped the pistol. UPS says it's "in transit" with estimated delivery tomorrow. Yesterday the estimated delivery was today.

I guess I need to go buy some ammo and a holster.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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Rerun

· #52 · 7 mo ago

Good!

Shoot the hell out of it!

Rerun

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Pistolkitty

· #53 · 7 mo ago (Edited by Moderator)

Visper said:
I have a 6moa Venom, I know the Viper was 'supposedly" made more for pistols but I hate the rear locking screws, PITA if you have a co-witnessed rear sight.

To me the Venom IS the choice for pistols, especially with the 6 moa dot version. The viper is perfect for a 45 deg offset back up sight, it's not a primary so no big deal pulling it off to change the battery and its small so doesn't add a lot of weight to your AR.

It's not always the smallest sight that is best on a pistol my 34 has a monster on there but it's a nice big sight picture with a 3 moa dot. This pistol isn't made for SD per se but I still love it. That is a Bushnell First Strike 2.0 Reflex Sight.

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I'm not much of a glock fan, but I like that slide!

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Pistolkitty

· #54 · 7 mo ago

Sheesh, I don't know why that posted so many times. My internet is sketchy here, I was just pleased that vispers pic loaded at all.

lklawson

Discussion Starter · #55 · 7 mo ago

Pistolkitty said:
Sheesh, I don't know why that posted so many times. My internet is sketchy here, I was just pleased that vispers pic loaded at all.

No worries. I took care of it.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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lklawson

Discussion Starter · #56 · 7 mo ago

The PSA 5.7 Rock was delivered to the LGS and I picked it up yesterday afternoon. Then I went to Judo. I'll start a "review" thread soon but off the bat, it looks yooooj! But it's not. I placed it beside my 1911 and it's exactly the same size, width, length, and height. Even with the longer threaded bbl, the bbl is only maybe 3/8" longer than a full size 1911. And 1911's were considered among the most concealable pistols right up until the Concealed Carry Revolution. Lighter too, though that may change when I get a mag full of ammo in it.

I don't have anything else yet for it. Still in shipping is: ammo, reflex sight, holster, mag holster.

I'll put other observations in the soon-to-be review thread.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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undeRGRound

· #57 · 7 mo ago

Visper said:
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Cool Setup, I have a G34 with only a mod or 2, wondering if you'd do a post on that or at least talk about it! I'm wanting to add a threaded barrel at least, and likely an rds with one of them dovetail thingys 🤩

Visper

· #58 · 7 mo ago

undeRGRound said:
Cool Setup, I have a G34 with only a mod or 2, wondering if you'd do a post on that or at least talk about it! I'm wanting to add a threaded barrel at least, and likely an rds with one of them dovetail thingys 🤩

No problem Mole!!

OK so things I modified.

1. Slide is a Zev, KC Eusebio limited. Cut specifically for Bushnell First Strike (BFS) 2.0 Red Dot.
2. Apex Trigger/bar/connector/FP Safety.
3. Blacklist Magwell

Otherwise it is stock

Do me a favor, you can use that dovetail thingy OR send your OEM slide to Lonewolf - every Christmas they have a 50% off optics cut machining. Usually $120 ish so $60.00 plus shipping there (they pay return shipping) Get an RMR cut and call it a day!!!

Those dovetail mounts cost $50.00 ish at least and getting your slide milled is just better. Don't pay for re-coating the machined section, you just gonna cover it with an optic or cover plate anyways.

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RACHGIER

· #59 · 7 mo ago

Visper said:
No problem Mole!!

OK so things I modified.

1. Slide is a Zev, KC Eusebio limited. Cut specifically for Bushnell First Strike (BFS) 2.0 Red Dot.
2. Apex Trigger/bar/connector/FP Safety.
3. Blacklist Magwell

Otherwise it is stock

Do me a favor, you can use that dovetail thingy OR send your OEM slide to Lonewolf - every Christmas they have a 50% off optics cut machining. Usually $120 ish so $60.00 plus shipping there (they pay return shipping) Get an RMR cut and call it a day!!!

Those dovetail mounts cost $50.00 ish at least and getting your slide milled is just better. Don't pay for re-coating the machined section, you just gonna cover it with an optic or cover plate anyways.

I considered doing the RMR cut myself but I didn't have a backup slide in case I fudged it.

Edit: I still want to do the long-slide and barrel conversion then buy an 80% and build a "ghost" frame

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Visper

· #60 · 7 mo ago

RACHGIER said:
I considered doing the RMR cut myself but I didn't have a backup slide in case I fudged it.

Edit: I still want to do the long-slide and barrel conversion then buy an 80% and build a "ghost" frame

It's cheap enough to send out and get done when they are on sale. RMR seems like the easiest cut though.

As for the 80% you can still get for now, just need to but the 80% frame at one store and the jig at another... pain in the arse but it is a work around for now.

Definitely a fun and rewarding thing to do. Slide wise Hooper gun works makes some real nice slides, and Zaffiri Precision (when on sale) otherwise just go with a P80builder one. I have tried a few and those are the best bang for your buck.

You can literally spend $150 to $500+ on a slide alone easy...

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