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A few weeks ago I took my new-to-me Smoke frame R51 out to the range. It was shooting 6" low at 35 feet. @%^#&*[email protected]%!!! This was strange because my black R51 is spot on.

Then I lent it to a friend. As I was demonstrating it, I loaded a laser training cartridge into it and it was hitting dead-nuts. Huh?

Eventually, I realized that I was using the laser training cartridge with my street glasses. Tri-focals. And I was looking at them through the proper lens. When I was shooting at the range, I was using my safety glasses, with mono-focal corrective lenses. It's supposed to be the same focal point as the same lens I was using with my laser cartridge.

So I went back to the range and checked my bio-mechanics. I found that I was tilting my head down a little, in a sort of more aggressive body position, same as tucking the chin down when fighting. This aligned my eyesight through the top 1/3 of my lenses. Remember, they're mono-focal. Supposed to be the same focus no matter what part of the lens I'm looking through. But changing the point I was looking through the lens very subtly added a bit of unexpected parallax. It wasn't much but it changed my POI.

When I moved my head up to a more erect posture, my groups moved to the exact right spot.

Lesson learned.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
 

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Jerry Miculek advocates for bringing the weapon up to the eyes as you stand, and I've worked to make that the natural motion. It sounds like that is what you are now doing. This might improve your time to first shot.
 

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Jerry Miculek advocates for bringing the weapon up to the eyes as you stand, and I've worked to make that the natural motion. It sounds like that is what you are now doing. This might improve your time to first shot.
I advocate for it too. And, even then, I was still mostly doing so. But I was letting my "fighting" stance enter in a way that wasn't appropriate to shooting. I was tucking my chin down, not to bring my eyes down to my gun, but because I tuck my chin when I fight. My best guess is that I inappropriately allowed my fighting stance to influence my other fighting stance too much and didn't notice it.

Now that I've identified the problem, I can work to fix it. :)

Heck, if i didn't need corrective lenses, it wouldn't be a problem at all. :(

Hmm... Maybe this is an argument for Pistol RD?

Peace favor your sword,
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I advocate for it too. And, even then, I was still mostly doing so. But I was letting my "fighting" stance enter in a way that wasn't appropriate to shooting. I was tucking my chin down, not to bring my eyes down to my gun, but because I tuck my chin when I fight. My best guess is that I inappropriately allowed my fighting stance to influence my other fighting stance too much and didn't notice it.

Now that I've identified the problem, I can work to fix it. :)

Heck, if i didn't need corrective lenses, it wouldn't be a problem at all. :(

Hmm... Maybe this is an argument for Pistol RD?

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
This very well might be a good argument for a red dot. Plenty of others with eye issues seem to really go for them. You'd still have to adjust for the iron sight issue with your Rockford Files revolver, though, so that's the only drawback to that solution.
 

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whats the problem. You shot the target in the neck instead of the face. Or in the dick instead of the guts
 

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Sucks getting old and needing glasses... reason I have red dots/scopes on a lot of stuff I own.
 
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Yet another reason for learning to point shoot and not rely on using your sights.
Those damn heritage revolvers are a cheap way to learn this skill.
 

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A few weeks ago I took my new-to-me Smoke frame R51 out to the range. It was shooting 6" low at 35 feet. @%^#&*[email protected]%!!! This was strange because my black R51 is spot on.

Then I lent it to a friend. As I was demonstrating it, I loaded a laser training cartridge into it and it was hitting dead-nuts. Huh?

Eventually, I realized that I was using the laser training cartridge with my street glasses. Tri-focals. And I was looking at them through the proper lens. When I was shooting at the range, I was using my safety glasses, with mono-focal corrective lenses. It's supposed to be the same focal point as the same lens I was using with my laser cartridge.

So I went back to the range and checked my bio-mechanics. I found that I was tilting my head down a little, in a sort of more aggressive body position, same as tucking the chin down when fighting. This aligned my eyesight through the top 1/3 of my lenses. Remember, they're mono-focal. Supposed to be the same focus no matter what part of the lens I'm looking through. But changing the point I was looking through the lens very subtly added a bit of unexpected parallax. It wasn't much but it changed my POI.

When I moved my head up to a more erect posture, my groups moved to the exact right spot.

Lesson learned.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Interesting. I'll have to remember this when I'm at the rage later this week. I shoot POA/POI with two of my 9mm, the other is consistently low - by about 6 inches. And I wear trifocals - progressives. Could be at least part of the problem
 
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Interesting. I'll have to remember this when I'm at the rage later this week. I shoot POA/POI with two of my 9mm, the other is consistently low - by about 6 inches. And I wear trifocals - progressives. Could be at least part of the problem
Friday, while at the range, the frame on my shooting glasses broke. The bottom loop holding the right lens in. Grrr... It just randomly popped apart and dropped my lens onto the gravel. :p

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I've been told I hold my head towards the left side, maybe that's why I can't hit shit :duh:
 

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Friday, while at the range, the frame on my shooting glasses broke. The bottom loop holding the right lens in. Grrr... It just randomly popped apart and dropped my lens onto the gravel. :p

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Been there - too often!
 
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