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Im having problems adjusting the rear sight. Anyone have any videos? I tried YouTube but maybe im just old. Any help is appreciated.

I would love a red dot that i could also use along with the iron sights.
 

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Im having problems adjusting the rear sight. Anyone have any videos? I tried YouTube but maybe im just old. Any help is appreciated.

I would love a red dot that i could also use along with the iron sights.
What is your specific issue?

I teach the FORS (read as force) method.

Front = Opposite
Rear = Same

If you need to bring your point of impact up, you lower the front sight, or raise the rear sight. To bring your POI down, you would raise the front, or drop the rear.

Windage on these carbines gets a bit more tricky because the front sight post should only be adjusted if it's way off left to right. Otherwise the Rear = Same, still applies.

If you find that you've adjust adjusted to the maximum in any direction, you'll need to adjust your front sight accordingly because it's most likely been knocked out of alignment.
 

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What is your specific issue?

I teach the FORS (read as force) method.

Front = Opposite
Rear = Same

If you need to bring your point of impact up, you lower the front sight, or raise the rear sight. To bring your POI down, you would raise the front, or drop the rear.

Windage on these carbines gets a bit more tricky because the front sight post should only be adjusted if it's way off left to right. Otherwise the Rear = Same, still applies.

If you find that you've adjust adjusted to the maximum in any direction, you'll need to adjust your front sight accordingly because it's most likely been knocked out of alignment.
It shoots low and right. I think they screwed up when they loctited my thread protector (not in a free state) since if i move the front sight left it'll almost twist the plastic bar below it.

This is why i feel like a laser or co witness would be best as I would only use the iron sights if i had to. It misses by about an inch at 7 yards.
 

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It shoots low and right. I think they screwed up when they loctited my thread protector (not in a free state) since if i move the front sight left it'll almost twist the plastic bar below it.

This is why i feel like a laser or co witness would be best as I would only use the iron sights if i had to. It misses by about an inch at 7 yards.
Oh, forget the rail under the barrel. It's just press fit in to the front sight body and the front of the stock. Total junk and barely good enough to hold a flashlight.

Rotate your front sight assembly however far you need it to go to bring your shot back to the left. Probably 1/16" at most. A lot of the front sight posts have been canted from the factory lately, and mine did 10 years ago.
 

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Oh, forget the rail under the barrel. It's just press fit in to the front sight body and the front of the stock. Total junk and barely good enough to hold a flashlight.

Rotate your front sight assembly however far you need it to go to bring your shot back to the left. Probably 1/16" at most. A lot of the front sight posts have been canted from the factory lately, and mine did 10 years ago.
Can i take off the crappy bottom rail? Im new to rifles and im not in front of it now.
 

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Can i take off the crappy bottom rail? Im new to rifles and im not in front of it now.
You can, but you'll have to split the stock in half to do so. Or you could cheat and just carefully cut it off.
 

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Agh sounds outside my relm.

So laser sights suggestions to co witness?
I've run both. Not a fan of the RDS, but I recommend a lower 1/3 co witness vs absolute. I prefer a clean sight picture.

I have the factory (back in Dec. '12) laser sight mounted on the factory side rails.

Would also suggest you get your irons dialed in properly as well.
 

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I've run both. Not a fan of the RDS, but I recommend a lower 1/3 co witness vs absolute. I prefer a clean sight picture.

I have the factory (back in Dec. '12) laser sight mounted on the factory side rails.

Would also suggest you get your irons dialed in properly as well.
How do you feel about canted sights? I was thinking maybe buying canted sights as my irpn sights and then a laser as a co witness
 

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Can i even remove my front sight since they glued the thread protector on? I really gotta look at this when i get home.
 

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How do you feel about canted sights? I was thinking maybe buying canted sights as my irpn sights and then a laser as a co witness
I think you're improperly applying the concept of a Co witness? A cowitness is simply the alignment of your irons with your RDS. Your laser is considered another independent sighting system. Realistically, lining up two red dots is a bit... redundant.

It also depends on what distances you want to shoot at. You could set your laser at 10-15y, then sight your RDS and irons for 50-75y. Having everything converge at a single distance is kind of nonsensical and ultimately impractical.

Can i even remove my front sight since they glued the thread protector on? I really gotta look at this when i get home.
You should, but I'm not 100%. If not, you can always remove the vertical from the front sight base ring.
 
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In my way of thinking Loctite may not be on the thread protector. It may be tack welded on.

Don't throw money at this "problem" listen to what Rach is saying.

We get dingleberrys that watch youtube and follow the wrong methodology. Take it slow.

Those canted sights will give you a shorter sight radius. Not optimal. Really, the factory irons are pretty good! ;)
 

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I think you're improperly applying the concept of a Co witness? A cowitness is simply the alignment of your irons with your RDS. Your laser is considered another independent sighting system. Realistically, lining up two red dots is a bit... redundant.

It also depends on what distances you want to shoot at. You could set your laser at 10-15y, then sight your RDS and irons for 50-75y. Having everything converge at a single distance is kind of nonsensical and ultimately impractical.

You should, but I'm not 100%. If not, you can always remove the vertical from the front sight base ring.
Im definitely mis using co witness. What does remove vertical from the front sight mean?
 

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Im definitely mis using co witness. What does remove vertical from the front sight mean?
The front sight is two pieces. The base ring around the barrel, and the vertical hooded front sight post. There should be a bolt on the FSP allowing you to remove the vertical piece.
 
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re: the pic rail under the barrel. I don't remember having to do anything particular difficult to remove it - I dissasembled the front grip for something else and it just popped right out - I saved it in case I wanted to put it back in later. I def wouldn't cut it off.

Had problems with canted front sight post. Mucked around with that, then tried flip up iron sights mounted on the top rail, but not much better.

Finally just got a (fairly) cheap red dot: bushnell trs-25 (around 50 bucks?). Works great. Plinking heaven.

Good luck.
 

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Is this the bolt
The front sight is two pieces. The base ring around the barrel, and the vertical hooded front sight post. There should be a bolt on the FSP allowing you to remove the vertical piece.
Rachgier,

Is this the bolt?

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