Discussion in '2nd Amendment' started by Visper, Sep 9, 2014.

  1. Visper

    Visper AK = Automatic Killer!?! Supporting Member

    SJR-19... Has anyone here been paying attention to this or how this will impact us if it does eventually pass?

    I received this email today from Dudley Brown of

    I've got bad news.

    Last night, Harry Reid's attempt to muzzle pro-gun free speech with a new Constitutional amendment passed its first Senate vote with enough Republican support to secure the 2/3 needed for final passage.

    Fortunately, we've still got time to convince swing Senate Democrats and weak-kneed Republicans to change their minds before the final Senate vote happens in the next few days.

    Please sign your Emergency Fax Petition against SJR-19 by clicking here so we can deliver it to your Senators while there’s still time:

    Then, if you live in one of these swing-Senators' states, please let them know you're disappointed they voted to advance the anti-gun and anti-free speech Constitutional amendment yesterday.

    Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska)
    (202) 224-3004

    Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Mississippi)
    (202) 224-5054

    Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-Louisiana)
    (202) 224-5824

    Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tennessee)
    (202) 224-4944 Sen. Kay Hagan (D-North Carolina)
    (202) 224-6342

    Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine)
    (202) 224-2523

    Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colorado)
    (202) 224-5941

    Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Arkansas)
    (202) 224-2353 Remember, the goal of this amendment is to eliminate our ability to band together to oppose gun control and expose anti-gun politicians for their voting records. It's vital we stop it now.

    So, please sign your Emergency Fax Petition against SJR-19 by clicking here right away.


    Of course I signed the petition, but I have seen no mention of this on here and was wondering if everyone was aware. Here is the original email I received outlining Harry Reid's proposal from Mr. Brown:

    Dear Fellow Patriot,

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said he'd re-visit gun control, but I didn't expect that he'd use the nuclear option.

    Gun-grabber Harry Reid is trying to change the rules of the gun control debate, and he's willing to gut the entire Constitution to do it!

    Reid has scheduled a vote on "Senate Joint Resolution 19" for next Monday, September 8th, at 6:00 PM.

    SJR-19 is an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would allow both federal and state governments to censor and regulate American's free speech when election time comes around.

    The goal of Reid's Constitutional amendment's is crystal clear:

    Block pro-gun groups like the National Association for Gun Rights, from exposing anti-gun lawmakers' records.

    That's because this amendment would devastate Americans' ability to band together to oppose gun control and expose anti-gun politicians for their voting records.

    Under the Amendment:

    *** Federal and State governments can decide who is allowed to participate in elections, and who can't.

    *** A state government could pass a law prohibiting you from sending a letter telling your friends about your favorite candidate.

    *** NAGR, churches, and even political parties could be prohibited from informing you about a politician's voting record if it might "influence" an election.

    But, favored groups like labor unions would certainly be exempted, and Billionaire anti-gun activists like Michael Bloomberg won't have any trouble "working" the new system.

    Make no mistake, this isn't campaign finance reform, it's a scam to protect gun-grabbers who vote against your rights and then lie about it come November.

    Fellow Patriot, if this amendment passes, your pro-gun voice, and those of millions like you, could be silenced.

    That's why I'm hoping you'll sign your Emergency Fax Petition against SJR-19 by clicking here right now.

    Sign your Emergency Fax Petition to Oppose SJR-19

    Remember that once legislation passes, it almost never goes away.

    That's because once it passes Congress, it's only a matter of time before enough anti-gun state legislatures decide to ratify it in order to stop pro-gun activists like you.

    And many of them are so desperate to get gunnies like you to just "go away", they'll gladly sign off on Harry Reid's scheme.

    SJR-19 will be a threat to our free speech.

    So far, the only thing stopping Reid from ignoring NAGR and the millions of pro-gun activists nationwide is that pesky First Amendment.

    Without our ability to mobilize grass rights activists and hold anti-gunners accountable for their actions, Harry Reid knows that he'll have a much easier time RAMMING Barack Obama's anti-gun agenda into law.

    But if SJR-19 becomes the 28th Amendment, all of that will change.

    It's not just a threat to your Second Amendment right, but it effectively eliminates the most vital First Amendment protections as well.

    Not to mention that it would leave all of your other cherished freedoms on the lawmakers' chopping block.

    That's why we need to stop this amendment now, before it goes anywhere.

    So anyway just looking for everyone's thoughts on this. Am I being to paranoid or is this a substantial threat to some of our most basic constitutional rights, namely the 1st and 2nd!
  2. planosteve

    planosteve Lifetime Supporter

    The Republicans voted to let it go to the floor for debate, this was a political move as Harry Reid did not want it to go to the floor for debate as it would distract from his legislative agenda. He is apparently PO's that it made it out of committee according to the Washington papers. The chances of this getting past the house is slim to none.

  3. ajole

    ajole Supporting Member

    NE Utah
    In reading SJR19, I see nothing that Reid could use to any of that.

    They DID include limits on spending for an election. Not sure how that gets applied to the NAGR or anyone discriminately, nor how it stops anyone from running?

    What it actually does is stop Bloomberg from pouring billions into anti gun candidates and campaigns at election time. It stops large lobbies and corporations from spending obscene amounts to support their favorite puppet.

    So...who is REALLY telling us all that this is bad? The media that the money goes to, who will lose out on sales?

    Hmmm. Makes one think, no?
  4. bluharley

    bluharley Member

    Didn't we just see that his money didn't work in that election for a sheriff?
  5. SteveC

    SteveC Member

    Thanks for this one ajole.

    I read the OP and then went to the text of SJR 19 and found myself wondering if anybody actually read the text. This thing is an attempt to respond to the Citizens United decision and the effect all that money has on the electoral process. The stuff in the OP looks like dystopian fantasy to me. The advocates of Big Money are the ones who have something to squawk about here. If they can get us ordinary folk believing that this is bad for US, so much the better for them.
  6. Visper

    Visper AK = Automatic Killer!?! Supporting Member


    You know, you guys make a very good point. I can't believe that never crossed my mind when reading that today. Could have had something to do with my 12 hour work days and me just being punchy... but thanks.

    I never went to the actual SJR-19 and read the text and was just reviewing the email so I just got how they wanted to present it to me... my bad but lucky me I have you guys to help me out!
  7. SteveC

    SteveC Member

    You get serious props from me for being willing to look at it again and respond to the facts.
  8. planosteve

    planosteve Lifetime Supporter

    As the old saying goes my job is hours upon hours of shear boredom punctuated by minutes of extreme panic. So I have some time to read while at work and when not handling emergencies or working on scheduling.
  9. Visper

    Visper AK = Automatic Killer!?! Supporting Member

    Thanks SteveC, that was one of the reasons I posted, getting insight from others. One thing my Dad taught me: you should strive to learn something new every day and have an open mind, an idle mind is a dead one.

    I have no problem admitting when I made a mistake, something our younger generation should adopt...

    And Plano, I wish I was bored at work... its good to be busy but it seems like extreme panic is the norm for now at work lol.
  10. Branth

    Branth Member

    I think the concern is that it could be used to prevent groups like the NRA from lobbying, buying ad campaigns, etc. that would "influence" an election.

    I don't know if this amendment is dangerous in and of itself, but it could open the door to further actions that could prove harmful.

    For example, say they pass legislation that says that corporations aren't able to spend money to influence elections, but individuals can. That leaves Bloomberg and other millionaires in the clear, but the NRA would be out.

    I'm still undecided on where I stand on this one. I'm leaning towards no, just on libertarian principle, but I can't tell for sure.
  11. Visper

    Visper AK = Automatic Killer!?! Supporting Member

    Another good point of view. That's where I was leaning originally, but have since pulled back a little after Ajole and SteveC gave me a different perspective. But IF it does come down to them leaving 'individuals" in the clear as you state that would be a big blow.

    But I believe this will be a moot point as Plano said, its chances of getting by the house are slim to none.
  12. bscar

    bscar Supporting Member

    Would be nice to see no more lobbying by any one or company, but it'll never happen; too many politicians have a vested interest in lobby money to put a stop to it