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I ended spending about $150. I bought some 9mm, .40 and .45. But anyways. I'm standing at the counter waiting to be helped and there are two different guys spending at least $3000 on ammo. They had to wheel the one guys ammo out on a cart. When I bought my C9 from there the guy helping me out was telling me how someone had been in the day before that and had spent $8000 on ammo. People need to stop freaking about the "ammo shortage". There wouldn't be one if everyone and their mother was buying all of it up for no reason. Oh well though, hopefully people will get over this nonsense soon.
 

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Yeah, I was buying the Heritage .22 I've had my eye on for a while at the gun shop last night and a guy come back in with a dolly he used to heft the whole store worth of ammo out to his truck. Un-freaking-believable. How about leave some for the rest of us, huh? :mad:
 

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Yeah it's insane. In that same story the guy was telling my friend and I that some guy came in and bought a Barret .50 rifle and let his friend in the service use it and then came back the next day and bought himself one. The two guys that were in there today completely cleared them out of PMC .223 and then some. I had bought pmc bronze in 9mm there a week ago and they had cases and cases of that stuff. The 9mm I bought today was wolf with the steel casing. Also when I was there I gave the cashier $78 dollars in cash and she said I only gave her $58, so now I have to go back in the morning after they count down the register to get my money back. I'll probably pick up some more ammo too.
 

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I ended spending about $150. I bought some 9mm, .40 and .45. But anyways. I'm standing at the counter waiting to be helped and there are two different guys spending at least $3000 on ammo. They had to wheel the one guys ammo out on a cart. When I bought my C9 from there the guy helping me out was telling me how someone had been in the day before that and had spent $8000 on ammo. People need to stop freaking about the "ammo shortage". There wouldn't be one if everyone and their mother was buying all of it up for no reason. Oh well though, hopefully people will get over this nonsense soon.
I am in favor of people being able to buy whatever they can afford but I hope they don't let all that good ammo get so old it doesn't work right.
 

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Why complain? At least there is some business taking place in this country. It's a free country last I looked. If they can afford it and want to buy it who's business is it to tell them to stop? Sure it makes it cost more for all of us but hey that's the way it works. Earn more and buy more. We all have the same 24 hours in a day, use them wisely.
 

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I'm with keby on this one.
and as far as "earn more buy more"....WTF!
What about the people that can no longer reenlist in the service but would like to? Then they are unable to find a sufficient job just to pay there bills and child support? Are we supposed to do illegal activities because there is no work to be had??? I don't particularly want to go to jail. The cost of scrap metal is so far down that you can't even subsidize your income by doing that anymore. And if people can't find a decent full or part-time job, what makes you think that they can get two? I don't mind working 60 hours a week. In fact I prefer it, especially over doing nothing or working 20 hours or less a week. I don't get assistance or unemployement( not trying to burn those that do). So answer me this.....when someone who is willing and trained cannot get gainfull employment or serve their country again, what are they supposed to do? I know people who have multiple college degrees and are certified EMT's that work at a F**king meat counter at a grocery store. Can you tell him to spend his days wisely? or the Intelligence Specialist who worked with the SEALS in active combat who is now doing labor here and there trying to pay his rent and have just enough to eat? Do you think you would tell him to spend his days wisely when he is trying to find work in his off time from working 10 and 12 hour days? How about the corpsman that enlisted to work with the SEAL units, got his warning order to go and had to drop out of school to work full time to pay for his child and now can't get back in due to insufficient ability to get a waiver? Because that's my position now. I'm that corpsman. So regardless of the 24 hours in a day what do you suggest for the people who have done everything in their power to be the upstanding man that they are supposed to be?
I am all for bussiness making money, but at what cost? I know what this country is about. I know that people are given opportunities to make money and they don't take them. But I also know that there are people who served this country proudly and can't get by despite their never ending effort to better their lives. So when you(Wildman) are sitting on your high horse living comfortably do you think about that?
I'm going to log off now, I'm even more p***ed now than I was when it took me two weeks just to find three boxes of cheap 9mm ammo. and SW.....I know what you mean about more brass. If I had the equipment I would definitely be reloading. I don't even have time or money to hit the range right now though. Guess that will happen in the future when I do have the cash.
 

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when someone who is willing and trained cannot get gainfull employment or serve their country again, what are they supposed to do?
I used to think the same exact way and not all too long ago. But someone much smarter than me suggested I stop looking for excuses that I can't make money and start opening up my mind. It is easy to sit back and whimper that there are no opportunities. But are there or aren't there? How many people risk life and limb every day trying to flee their country for ours? Now there are multitudes of reasons that draw them here but by and far the largest is opportunity.

I too am not afraid of hard work. Sent a couple decades working 50-60 hour weeks. Matter of fact I still do for now. But there is truth in the "work smarter, not harder" phrase we hear often. The mind is like a parachute. If it doesn't open it won't work.

I know this. Blaming others for "having" will NEVER make a single gain for anyone. And don't for a second assume I'm sitting on a high horse or living comfortably. I have the same everyday problems and challenges as the next guy, we all do. Deciding how you want to let these problems affect your attitude is what makes all the difference. Now you can flame me and blame me or you can change the way you think. I changed the way I think. I needed help to do that. Read some books and listen to some positive mental attitude teachers. It works. Some say they don't believe in that. Well I don't believe in blaming anyone but myself for what I don't have.
 

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Wildman- I don't blame you or anyone else for the situation that I am in. I work dilligently at finding more work for myself and more money for my family. The majority of the time that I spend on-line is finding more jobs or more opportunities. I only wish I had known when I was younger that so much can affect you later. What I have done is what I have to live with and nobody's fault but my own. What I said was not meant to be an excuse for anything. Nor was it meant to come across as whimpering or bitching. It was merely meant to be a statement of fact that there are people who are doing what they can above and beyond the call to make ends meet and still have nothing to spare.
I also would hate for anyone who reads this to think that I don't believe that the US is the country with the most opportunities and the land where the most can be gained. This is also the country where a man can stand to lose the most after having it all. Where else can you start out with nothing and amass a fortune as so many have? (Just to lose it and have nothing in one fell swoop) It has taken me many years to learn that you can simply do something about it or deal with it but nothing changes on its own. I am the kind of person that will adapt and overcome, I always do and always will. There will always be people that think the world should be given to them. There also will always be the people who just want to take care of theirs and will work everyday to do so.
I don't carry a grudge with the world, or anyone else for that matter, for the situation that I am in. However, I do get quite angry when people are too blind to see the fact that their are other people in this world than themselves. If you are truly going to be open-minded then don't close you eyes to what is going on around you. Such as the issue with ammuntion. What do the people do when the SHTF and the neighbor who possesses all of the ammunition doesn't allow you the common courtesy to protect your own family and friends? People will start stealing ammuntion and then their are problems within the community. Would you send your neighbor out to a firefight to protect you without any ordnance? I sure as hell wouldn't. I think that everyone deserves the same rights. That is what this country is about, that is why people come to this country. People are beaten and abused and starving in other countries, how long do you think it would take for that to happen here? Guess what, it already is. So when you watch the news see how many places that unemployment and homelessness keep rising.
Now I'm not trying to blame you for what is happening to the people in this country nor any other one person. (Not even Bush....and no I did not vote for Obama) Nor do I blame others for having what I do not. I am glad when I see that people are still making it with this economy in shambles. Some of my distant family are even doing quite well, which makes me to strive even harder to make things better for myself and my immediate family. I even can dig your analogy that the mind is like a parachute. I followed a Buddhist path for many years. As far as "self-help" that's bs. You either have it in you or you don't. There is no self-help. You either help yourself or someone else is helping you. If you are going to keep your mind open, keep it open to help other people as well, not to be self-absorbed. I am the kind of guy that will give the shirt off of my back and my lunch to help out a man that I don't even know. I don't care how little I have, I will always be open-minded enough to be able to look out for the well-being of others. I also will always be willing to stand up for those who are less fortunate and those who are oppressed.
It only seems to make sense that the economy does better when everyone gets to do their part. That means more jobs for people so that they can spend more money and create even more jobs. It's a big cycle and everyone in this country is in it.
You are right that we all have problems and challenges, just don't forget that. We ALL have problems and challenges. So don't act like someone you don't know isn't spending his time wisely taking care of his own problems. And be open minded enough to know whether one person buys all of the ammo or all of the water he isn't doing anyone any good. He only makes it harder for others by closing his mind.
Thank you for letting me rant. Enjoy your freedom of speech, I have surely enjoyed mine.

And in case anyone didn't get the point of this.......Everyone has it hard these days and all you can do is keep working hard and help your fellow man. Don't close yourself out to think that no one else matters. This country allows you certain unalienable rights and that is exactly what makes this country great. Don't forget that this country was built to take care of those who are less fortunate and those who are oppressed. Please do your part to see that those beliefs that are fought for are not in vain and that they do not ever die. Thank you again.
 

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I'm getting tired of ammo threads...

People can spend their money how they want. If you're worried about someone else snatching it up first, get to know your dealers. I've made it a point to get to know them, be a repeat customer, and let them know what I'm looking for ahead of time; they put aside a few boxes for me as it comes in, I can't afford to buy cases, but they like repeat business. Slow and steady can get you to a reasonable stockpile.
 

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Wade- I do think that people should be able to spend there money on pretty much what they want. I don't really think that people should be able to buy a bomb, lol, but I know you money is yours, you earned it. I just think that a lot more can be accomplished with people working together. and you are 100% right that they like repeat business. I usually would take the time to have people hold a little back for me but my guy charges me more than wal-mart. So, like you, I just buy a little at a time for myself. Or go to the gun show. It keeps my cost fairly low and gives other people who enjoy shooting(or are just wanting to be safe) the same chance to enjoy as I'm getting.
 

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I didn't start this thread to complain about people with more money buying more ammo than me, believe me if I had a few thousand dollars to waste on ammo I would. I by no means am complaining about someone with more money than me. I'm 22 years old I cook for a living, am a culinary student, and serve on the side to make a little more money. So I'm well aware of working for everything that I own and am fine with that. I wasn't complaining about someone spending that much money, I was surprised because I didn't think anyone would actually go in and drop $3000 on ammo in one day. There isn't an ammo crisis or shortage, people are just following stories and buying into random propaganda about the issue. Sure some dealers may run out or walmart may not have ammo. But it's all about supply and demand and you shouldn't be relying on walmart as your primary ammo source anyways. $150 is a lot for me to be spending on ammo, I was just saying it would be awesome for $3000 to be my limit.
 

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Keby- sorry I hijacked your thread.
I am with you that the shortage is propaganda based and that there could be plenty of ammo for whomever wants it. If there is going to be an ammo problem, it's not going to be tomorrow. Wildman kind of p***ed me off. I hear that phrase a lot from people who think it's easy to get by. I sure could spend $3000 at Vance's, probably buying two guns and some ammo. I really want a new AK. I just wouldn't buy out the entire stock of ammo at that cost to sit on it. Especially knowing that I would be stepping on the toes of every other shooter that wanted to buy some and take his kid out. That's just me, I won't even take the last piece of pizza. I too would be hard pressed to spend $150 at one time on ammo. I think I have less than 200 rounds for my 9mm and about 300 other various rounds(most of which are 380 or 22 and I don't have either gun anymore). It amazes me as well that people have that kind of disposable income in this economy. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they do. I'm sure if I did Vance's would be on the top of my list, right after child support and getting my bike running(not far off now). Ok, maybe even before the bike. I really, really want a new AK.
Don't worry, I don't solely rely on Wal-mart for ammo. :embarrassed2: They are just convenient when your transportation is limited from time to time. What I don't get is that I never had a problem finding ammo there before the last couple of months and they won't hold it even if you call. I usually try to get a couple boxes from the guy at the gun show if I go just because I'm there and it is too.
 

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Oh yeah I go to walmart enough to shop anyways and I always check the ammo section. Sometimes they have what I want but most times they don't. I didn't really want to bring anything out and tick anyone off. If someone wants to spend that much money on ammo that's fine. When I have money to blow I do, so it's no big deal. It was crazy watching them fill this guys truck up with all of this ammo though.
 

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Yeah that had to be a site.......a dolly full of ammo. Even if it's a mix of ammo, that's a lot. I don't have a dolly of ordnance at all anymore, just a box.....from wal-mart :D. I was with a girlfriend and she wanted a new make-up case, I ended up buying one too! :embarrassed2: It looks like stainless steel, opens up and has four little trays, is pretty sturdy, and it locks. It holds all of my ammo, my cleaning kit, my tools, rags, holsters, parts, and even has been known to hold a couple of guns from time to time. I couldn't wait to show my buddy my new make-up case and told him so. You should have seen his facial expression when I pulled it out. It was priceless. He looked at me like I was losing it, until I opened up the case and he saw it wasn't make-up. I couldn't believe that the cleaning kit they sell at wal-mart or gander mt. fits in the bottom of the box.
 

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I really need to fix some sort of range bag/ ammo bag like that too. I have an ammo can that doesn't hold all of my ammo, and a range/cleaning briefcase that I have that's a train wreck. I need to be more organized about it. Everytime I come back from shooting and have to get my case out for cleaning, it looks like someone emptied the trash on the floor.
 

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I'm with keby on this one.
and as far as "earn more buy more"....WTF!
What about the people that can no longer reenlist in the service but would like to? Then they are unable to find a sufficient job just to pay there bills and child support? Are we supposed to do illegal activities because there is no work to be had??? I don't particularly want to go to jail. The cost of scrap metal is so far down that you can't even subsidize your income by doing that anymore. And if people can't find a decent full or part-time job, what makes you think that they can get two? I don't mind working 60 hours a week. In fact I prefer it, especially over doing nothing or working 20 hours or less a week. I don't get assistance or unemployement( not trying to burn those that do). So answer me this.....when someone who is willing and trained cannot get gainfull employment or serve their country again, what are they supposed to do? I know people who have multiple college degrees and are certified EMT's that work at a F**king meat counter at a grocery store. Can you tell him to spend his days wisely? or the Intelligence Specialist who worked with the SEALS in active combat who is now doing labor here and there trying to pay his rent and have just enough to eat? Do you think you would tell him to spend his days wisely when he is trying to find work in his off time from working 10 and 12 hour days? How about the corpsman that enlisted to work with the SEAL units, got his warning order to go and had to drop out of school to work full time to pay for his child and now can't get back in due to insufficient ability to get a waiver? Because that's my position now. I'm that corpsman. So regardless of the 24 hours in a day what do you suggest for the people who have done everything in their power to be the upstanding man that they are supposed to be?
I am all for bussiness making money, but at what cost? I know what this country is about. I know that people are given opportunities to make money and they don't take them. But I also know that there are people who served this country proudly and can't get by despite their never ending effort to better their lives. So when you(Wildman) are sitting on your high horse living comfortably do you think about that?
I'm going to log off now, I'm even more p***ed now than I was when it took me two weeks just to find three boxes of cheap 9mm ammo. and SW.....I know what you mean about more brass. If I had the equipment I would definitely be reloading. I don't even have time or money to hit the range right now though. Guess that will happen in the future when I do have the cash.
First of all, thank you for your service! I don't think anyone here meant to sound unsympathetic of those who are having a hard time making ends meet! Let's remember though, that when we talk about the freedom to to spend our money as we choose the basic topic is freedom. It is true that people grabbing up all the ammo they can afford will, in the sort term, make ammo more costly and harder to get, but in the long term it will make the ammo suppliers more prosperous and able to supply you with what you need.
God bless you, and I hope things get better for you real soon!
 

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What do the people do when the SHTF and the neighbor who possesses all of the ammunition doesn't allow you the common courtesy to protect your own family and friends?
First off don't kid yourself and assume all the ammo went to just a handful of people because it isn't. Propaganda based or not track records speak for themselves and some choose to buy early to save money, others to prepare for TEOTWAWKI, and still others just because. Thinking it is better to ration ammo out so everyone has equal amounts is extremely disturbing to me!
I even can dig your analogy that the mind is like a parachute. I followed a Buddhist path for many years. As far as "self-help" that's bs.
Self help is BS? Sorry, but I strongly disagree. People fall into a rut and do the same thing day after day. Get up, go to work, come home, watch TV, go to sleep, Get up, go to work, come home, watch TV, go to sleep, Get up, go to work, come home, watch TV, go to sleep. Who here has goals written down? Specific and dated goals? Where is your dream board? Please don't try and tell me the rut scenario above is as effective as having a plan. People don't plan to fail they fail to plan. Call it BS if you'd like but look up the success stories of people like Bill Gates, Donald Trump, any US President, and any other highly successful person and you will find VERY specific similarities. Read a copy of The Seven Habits Highly Effective People by Stephen R Covey or How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. Not everyone that reads those books, or successful books like them, makes six figures or more per year. But anyone making that kind of income has likely read those books. Self help is BS? Nonsense. You have to help yourself before you can help others. And by God I do believe in helping anyone I can. But my family comes first and that's the way it ought to be. But indeed we all do have the same 24 hours in a day. What separates you or I from Trump, Gates, Menard, or any other millionaire? A little bit of timing and a couple of decisions.

Sorry to have ticked you off but so be it. Sometimes people need a little jolt to realize there is another way. People are sick of reading ammo shortage threads? Well do something about it. There is a tremendous demand for ammo right now. What better time to start a manufacturing business. Don't think Remington and Winchester both started with a million box per year capacity. What if you (or I) could start producing several thousand rounds per month. Think they'd sell right now? Wisconsin Cartridge Corporation is a good example. The owner told me at a gun show a couple months ago that he normally made X number of boxes to sell for a little side income at various shows. However his volume has gone up so much from recent demand that that side income has become much more. Who knows where that might lead! Ammo threads annoying? Please. I'm sick of hearing everyone P&M that the economy is bad, the country is headed for disaster, where is my bailout, etc etc etc.

America is in the hands of the citizens not the politicians. Nothing they can do or spend will end the problems until we, as a combined people, decide it ends.

Almost forgot to add. I stopped by a Wally Mart today to see if perhaps they had 9mm. One box of 50 left. I didn't buy it as i want to pick up several hundred or more rounds. I just smiled and thanked the guy for helping me. There is a Gander Mountain 7 miles away with dozens of boxes of WWB 100 count. They are asking about $5 a box more than Wally and I don't want to pay it so there it stays. I have been stocking up on .22 ammo though as it will be far more effective and useful if SHTF in our homeland that many other calibers.
 

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That's just me, I won't even take the last piece of pizza.
sorry to stray so far, this is my biggest pet peeve. there could be 15 boxes of pizza laying on a table all with 1 piece in them. in a room full of 1000 people and nobody will eat them .

i would eat every last one of them just because i can. and i also think you should be able to spend your money any way you see fit. buy all the ammo. even if you dont need it. if you have the money.
 
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