Tanfoglio / Excam TA76 & FIE E15

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adam01364

Discussion Starter · 1 mo ago

While I already posted about my parts gun purchase here: What gun did you buy today? I want to do an update on what I've uncovered as I messed around with various inexpensive single action revolvers.

Here's a pic of the Tanfoglio (FIE E15) that I originally rebuilt. The finish on the receiver and barrel is all but gone.

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I won a part kit auction for a Tanfoglio TA76 (Excam) part auctions to procure the missing Safety parts. It was actually less expensive to buy the part kit as opposed to buying the individual parts from Numrich. <shrug> More gun parts isn't a bad thing, right? The parts kit came in with a grip frame that was more matched to the receiver: The finish is shot, and whoever had it previously stripped the finish off the grips, and roughly "polished" the cylinder so the "finished product" looks plenty beat up and weathered. I kinda like the look :

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BUT.... the trigger pull on this thing is like 10#.
Question: Does anybody know if this can be improved on?

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adam01364

Discussion Starter · #2 · 1 mo ago (Edited)

I also bought a parts kit for a Kimel Industries single action revolver. While a lot of the Kimel revolvers I've seen were made in Germany,😖the barrel on this one was marked "Western Six Kimel Ind. Made in Matthews NC".
When I received the parts, I discovered the grip frame is marked Firearms Int'l Corp, Wash DC.

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Another thing I noticed is the grip locating pin on the Kimel grip frame is the same as the Rough Rider. Pics below are off Gunbroker but you can see what I'm talking about.

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Internal parts from the Kimel look identical to parts I have from another Heritage Rough Rider, except for the barrel threads; the Kimel's are coarse threads, while the Rough Rider's are very fine).

This coming Tuesday I should be picking up another Rough Rider receiver at my local FFL and I'm going to try building it with some of the the Kimel parts just to see parts match up.

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adam01364

Discussion Starter · #3 · 1 mo ago

WARNING: The data below is for information only. FIE, Excam, and Kimel firearms were subject to design and supplier changes without any notice. Cross fitting parts from different manufacturers is NOT suggested nor reccomended. If you proceed to do so, you do it at your own risk and the owners of HiPoint Firearms Forums and Adam01364 are not responsible for your actions.

Another interesting bit: The cylinder and cylinder pin fitment.

	Heritage Rough Rider (USA)	Cross Functions	Tanfoglio FIE E15 (Italian)	Cross Functions	Tanfoglio Excam TA76 (Italian)	Cross Functions	Kimel Western Six (USA)	Cross Functions
Cylinder Diameter (mm)	36.2	Yes	35.6	No*	35.6	Yes	35.8	Yes
Cylinder Length (mm)	41.5	Yes	41.4	No*	41.0	Yes	40.9	Yes
Cylinder Pin Hole (mm)	5.5		5.5		5.5		5.5
Hammer Thickness	6.9		7.1		6.8		7.1
Cyl. Pin Length (mm)	75.2	Yes	75.2	Yes	75.1	Yes	75.2	Yes
Cyl. Pin Diameter (mm)	5.5	Yes	5.5	Yes	5.5	Yes	5.5	No*
Barrel Outer Dia. (mm)	16.5		16.7		16.7		16.7
Barrel Threads	Very Fine		None		None		Coarse

The Tanfoglio E15 cylinder would not function in any other receiver, and it would also occasionally hang up in its' own receiver.
The Kimel cylinder pin would not insert into other cylinders, but the pin fit into the other frames. Once installed in the other frames, the cylinder bench functioned and did appear to align properly.

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Dagwood

· #4 · 1 mo ago

This is great info. I have a German SAA 22 I picked up at a gunshow on a whim and the thing is not in bad cosmetic condition, but it is a POS. I may have to troll GB and see if I can find some parts. Maybe it can be salvaged. Could be a fun little project. Thanks Adam

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adam01364

Discussion Starter · #5 · 1 mo ago

Dagwood said:
This is great info. I have a German SAA 22 I picked up at a gunshow on a whim and the thing is not in bad cosmetic condition, but it is a POS.

I haven't tinkered with any of the German SA revolvers, but parts kits are out there. From what I've seen, Rohm and Herbert Schmidt were the main players.

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ichthyo

· #6 · 1 mo ago

adam01364 said:
I also bought a parts kit for a Kimel Industries single action revolver. While a lot of the Kimel revolvers I've seen were made in Germany,😖the barrel on this one was marked "Western Six Kimel Ind. Made in Matthews NC".
When I received the parts, I discovered the grip frame is marked Firearms Int'l Corp, Wash DC.
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Another thing I noticed is the grip locating pin on the Kimel grip frame is the same as the Rough Rider. Pics below are off Gunbroker but you can see what I'm talking about.
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Internal parts from the Kimel look identical to parts I have from another Heritage Rough Rider, except for the barrel threads; the Kimel's are coarse threads, while the Rough Rider's are very fine).

This coming Tuesday I should be picking up another Rough Rider receiver at my local FFL and I'm going to try building it with some of the the Kimel parts just to see parts match up.

I had a TA for a while. Should hsve kept it. I do have its older brother, a Hawes.

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adam01364

Discussion Starter · #7 · 1 mo ago

ichthyo said:
I had a TA for a while. Should hsve kept it. I do have its older brother, a Hawes.

I thought all the Hawes were made in Germany??

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ajole

· #8 · 30 d ago

adam01364 said:
I thought all the Hawes were made in Germany??

By JP Sauer & Sohn from what I’ve seen. Lots of interesting things, like tip up single shot .22 pistols to go with revolvers and mouse guns.

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adam01364

Discussion Starter · #9 · 30 d ago

ajole said:
By JP Sauer & Sohn from what I’ve seen. Lots of interesting things, like tip up single shot .22 pistols to go with revolvers and mouse guns.

Yeah, I've noticed that some of the German SA say J.P. Sauer & Sohn, but others don't. I suspect the ones that don't say Sauer & Sohn on them were Herbert Schmidt versions. Here's a pic of a Hy Hunter -no mention of Sauer & Sohn- and a Hawes, which is clearly marked Sauer & Sohn. But the revolvers look damn near identical.

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adam01364

Discussion Starter · #10 · 28 d ago

As I mentioned in post #2, I picked up another Heritage Rough Rider receiver at my local FFL. Since the Kimel parts look identical to parts I have from another Heritage Rough Rider(aside from the barrel threads) I wanted to if I could build the Rough Rider with Kimel parts.
Annnnnd, <drum roll> the answer is YES, I could.

The biggest question was whether or not the Kimel grip frame would align to the Rough Rider receiver; it does:

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Compare this to how the Tanfoglio grip frame matches in the photo below. It clearly sits too high on the Rough Rider frame. I suppose some enterprising gunsmith could fit a shim of the appropriate thickness on the underside of the Tanfoglio grip frame to align the screw holes on the strap, and then use longer screws on the bottom to secure the grip frame, but that's a lot of needless work and for what gain?

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