"The Alternative"

Discussion in 'General Firearms Discussion' started by lklawson, Sep 17, 2015.

  1. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    Frankly, I think this is idiotic and has lots of problems with it, but, well... here.

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk

    http://www.gizmag.com/alternative-police-handguns-less-lethal/39335/

    "The Alternative" puts the brakes on bullets fired from police sidearms
    David Szondy September 9, 2015

    Aiming for a leg or shooting a weapon from a criminal's hands may be an option for cops in the movies, but real police officers are trained to shoot for the center of mass, not necessarily to kill, but to stop – although the end result can often be one and the same. "The Alternative" is designed to give officers a less lethal option in the form of a clip-on "air bag" for semiautomatic pistols that reduces the velocity of a standard round to make it less lethal.

    Developed by Alternative Ballistics of Poway, California, the Alternative is designed to improve the chances of imparting a stopping force on the target without penetrating or causing lethal damage.

    Based in part on feedback from law enforcement and special forces, the Alternative consists of a plastic carrier that normally sits in a belt pouch. It's designed to fit over the muzzle of a semiautomatic pistol, with installation a one-handed operation that doesn't require the officer to look away from the situation. The carrier is designed not to interfere with the pistol's sights or under-barrel rail, which may carry a torch or laser sight.

    At the front of the bright orange carrier is a hollow sphere made of a proprietary alloy that catches the bullet and firmly embeds it as it leaves the barrel. The ball and bullet fuse, slowing the round by 80 percent. At this speed, the ball-encased round is less likely to penetrate flesh, but it will transfer enough kinetic energy across a wide surface to knock a suspect down with less chance of a lethal outcome. Essentially, it's like a small, powerful bean-bag round, which Alternative Ballistics claims is as accurate as a standard pistol round.

    After firing, the carrier is ejected as the pistol chambers another round, which allows the police officer to immediately fire a second, lethal round if needed. If the Alternative ends up not being required, it's easily removed and returned to its pouch.

    Alternative Ballistics not only provides the less-lethal rounds, but also a two-day instructor course in the product, its use, history, and legal implications.

    The video below introduces the Alternative.
    Source: Alternative Ballistics

    https://youtu.be/14CUYMFSXoQ
     

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  2. Rerun

    Rerun Member

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    Ayup.

    Just another method to allow More LEO's to be slain while fumbling with a new doo-dad...

    Perhaps, Alternate folk will accompany the LEO's into the field and test these devices first hand.

    Yeah, right.

    eldar
     

  3. MachoMelvin

    MachoMelvin Well-Known Member

    WHAT A JOKE!

    From california you say?

    Who would have THUNK that?
     
  4. talon

    talon the banned wagon

    Why not just equip LEO firearms with a little flag that comes out when the trigger is pulled that reads "bang!"
     
  5. MachoMelvin

    MachoMelvin Well-Known Member

    Good thing they only fit glock firearms?
    Soon to be standard on all glocks!
     
  6. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member

    LEOs have tasers for less than lethal, this is stupidity at its advanced form....
     
  7. tallbump

    tallbump Supporting Member

    I dunno, I can appreciate it for what it is supposed to be.

    Since it only effects the first round, then it returns to a regular firearm immediately after, it may not be so bad.

    Assuming it works as planned.
     
  8. moona11

    moona11 King of you Monkeys Lifetime Supporter

    Thats just stupid but thats what you get out of cali
     
  9. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    The latest in non-lethal arms which LEO are required to use first.

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     

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  10. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    Make sure you don't train double-tap or Mozambique.

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
  11. Think1st

    Think1st Supporting Member

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    This is a device that would have to be employed in the same role as a beanbag-loaded shotgun, whereby a certain amount of lead time would permit the use of a less-than-lethal (LTL) round. In those situations where a shotgun with the LTL load was appropriate but the shotgun was unavailable, the LTL pistol attachment would serve as an alternative.

    To expect that an officer would fumble for it in the heat of an active engagement would be to ask too much. It would have to be deployed pretty deliberately.
     
  12. moona11

    moona11 King of you Monkeys Lifetime Supporter

    No thank you don't want it.
     
  13. undeRGRound

    undeRGRound ROLL wif Da MOLE! Supporting Member

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    Seems like everyone is missing the apparent fallacy stated in the article...

    Velocity Reduction of 80% will reduce "knock-down" capability unless the mass is increased
    by a much greater amount that the velocity reduction accounts for. V² losses add up much faster
    than M (mass) increase gains accrue. Simple Physics, Right Bro. AJOLE? ;)










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    stealing the wealth of the citizens with confiscatory taxes in all sectors :D :D ;)
     
  14. undeRGRound

    undeRGRound ROLL wif Da MOLE! Supporting Member

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    :rofl: :eek: :rofl:
     
  15. GLUGLUG

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  16. Kiln

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    How about a flag that reads "please behave"?
     
  17. histed

    histed Supporting Member

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    Or, since O-A$$whole and the libetards love to quote British 'stats, take the guns all together and issue whistles, like the Brit cops. I'm sure THAT will make the BG stop in his tracks, lie down and assume the position. And think of the $$$ the departments will save on firearms, ammo, vests, training.... We can even issue a civilian CCW whistle (less loud, of course) in place of those nasty pistols. :sarcasm:
     
  18. 556

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    Rubber bullets work the same...
     
  19. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

    I don't think we need to politicize this.
    In certain situations where you have the advantage of time I think it may be useful but it appears to be a very short range weapon. Same distance as a tazer. And the orange cap is obviously handgun type specific so I guess it favors the Glock series.
     
  20. planosteve

    planosteve Lifetime Supporter

    Another reason not to own a glock.