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The Feds Taking Control of Your Computer

Warning! When watching video do not access the site they speak of. If you do your giving the federal government full access to your computer.

 

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Most of the files on my computer are owned by Microsoft. I'd like to see the government try and take em' from THEM.

Scary stuff. Wonder what kind of crap like that is in the Health Care bill......
 

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Ya i saw that show. then did some looking. i have the same kinda page id have to go through in order to look at my paycheck or my retirement plan online being im a federal employee..what a crock of [email protected]
 

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Note if you other than a micrsoft browser and better yet run Linux you are nearly if not completely immune to attack!
 

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The Feds Taking Control of Your Computer

Warning! When watching video do not access the site they speak of. If you do your giving the federal government full access to your computer.

It's a lie. But Glen Beck is counting on you being this stupid!
 

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If the language is there, it is there. Do you deny that the language is there? If so, HOW do you refute it? It seems pretty clear; they own your PC when you install their software. Most software has similar language in it nowadays. This is why I refuse to buy software so long as they try to use my PC for their uses, not my own. I'll pirate it (or when possible, use open source or other options) and break their DRM that takes over my PC. Free market at work. I would never go to this site and install the software......any government website you could expect this kind of thing.
 

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The Feds Taking Control of Your Computer

Warning! When watching video do not access the site they speak of. If you do your giving the federal government full access to your computer.

It's a lie. But Glen Beck is counting on you being this stupid!
Maybe not a lie. Perhaps he got it wrong like a lot of us out here as well.
 

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THe language IS there. It is absolutely there. It is 100% there. Not even in some hidden and fine print. It's in a pretty straight forward section.

The section that is Specificly for Auto Dealers. Who are Specificly Creating An Account, Specificly For listing and invoicing the Cars that They Have Taken In As Clinker Trades.

None of that statement applies to consumers. None of that statement applies to Dealer Owned and Operated PC's for their businesses.


That language is absolutely there. In black and white. For the account set up by dealers on federal computers that they log into to index and invoice the clunkers they are taking in as trade.


Again, the mainstream bell ringers have no vested interest in telling you that one, simple tiny little fact. Because if they did, then you wouldn't start barking your head off over something, that isn't anything.

They are counting on you, to overreact. Because you are more reliable than an atomic clock in this instance.

Ding Ding Ding.
 

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You know this is pretty simple I thought even butterball could get it right but if I read his almost undecipherable post correctly he cant. Im putting this clown on ignore we have been patient enough.

First off the language is so broad that it literally allows them access to any computer or device connected to the logged in computer. This includes private networks. Not only access but ownership rights to intercept any network traffic passing though that private network. There is no reason for that language to be there unless they are indeed wishing legal access to files and network traffic. If it means nothing why does it exist.

Many dealerships will not allow a PC that logs into CARS to be connected to the business lan for this reason. So they take it pretty seriously. However, since there are fewer and fewer leased lines being purchased and more dealerships with internet phone service( Vonage for example) that is getting difficult. Now heres the point if the PC logged into CARS is also connected to Vonage does the entire Vonage network now become property of the US government. This is the issue with such broad language, words mean things.
 

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THe language IS there. It is absolutely there. It is 100% there. Not even in some hidden and fine print. It's in a pretty straight forward section.

The section that is Specificly for Auto Dealers. Who are Specificly Creating An Account, Specificly For listing and invoicing the Cars that They Have Taken In As Clinker Trades.

None of that statement applies to consumers. None of that statement applies to Dealer Owned and Operated PC's for their businesses.

That language is absolutely there. In black and white. For the account set up by dealers on federal computers that they log into to index and invoice the clunkers they are taking in as trade.

Again, the mainstream bell ringers have no vested interest in telling you that one, simple tiny little fact. Because if they did, then you wouldn't start barking your head off over something, that isn't anything.

They are counting on you, to overreact. Because you are more reliable than an atomic clock in this instance.

Ding Ding Ding.
Actually Glenn stated more than once that it was the log in for dealers. Interesting the DOT announced they removed that language today..of course the dealers have all already waived their rights so wonder if the govt will make the removal retroactive? Yes and what if the dealer works from home and others use the computer? Or if its networked? Its not real clear just how far "property of the federal govt extends". Also you realize that all your financials etc go into that dealers computer right which the govt can now access. But I know I'm just an alarmist..you say words don't matter but I seem to remember Obama disagreeing with you on that point. So if indeed they do matter why do you think that phrasing was used?
 

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You know this is pretty simple I thought even butterball could get it right but if I read his almost undecipherable post correctly he cant. Im putting this clown on ignore we have been patient enough.
And that, is conservatism friends.

You have been patient enough, waiting for me to see things your way and your way only.

Now that you are convinced I won't, you will only be listening to your own echoe boucing off of each other, so it sounds like everyone constantly agrees with you.

That's a great plan Rhodes. It sure looks like its workin out well for ya.

And, I'm manly enough to disagree with someone, and still treat them with respect. A surprising number of "Good" guys on here aren't. Your values only apply to someone you already agree with huh???
 

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THe language IS there. It is absolutely there. It is 100% there. Not even in some hidden and fine print. It's in a pretty straight forward section.

The section that is Specificly for Auto Dealers. Who are Specificly Creating An Account, Specificly For listing and invoicing the Cars that They Have Taken In As Clinker Trades.

None of that statement applies to consumers. None of that statement applies to Dealer Owned and Operated PC's for their businesses.

That language is absolutely there. In black and white. For the account set up by dealers on federal computers that they log into to index and invoice the clunkers they are taking in as trade.

Again, the mainstream bell ringers have no vested interest in telling you that one, simple tiny little fact. Because if they did, then you wouldn't start barking your head off over something, that isn't anything.

They are counting on you, to overreact. Because you are more reliable than an atomic clock in this instance.

Ding Ding Ding.
Actually Glenn stated more than once that it was the log in for dealers. Interesting the DOT announced they removed that language today..of course the dealers have all already waived their rights so wonder if the govt will make the removal retroactive? Yes and what if the dealer works from home and others use the computer? Or if its networked? Its not real clear just how far "property of the federal govt extends". Also you realize that all your financials etc go into that dealers computer right which the govt can now access. But I know I'm just an alarmist..you say words don't matter but I seem to remember Obama disagreeing with you on that point. So if indeed they do matter why do you think that phrasing was used?
I didn't say words don't matter. I believe just the opposite. Words are they key to intent.

And I didn't say you are an alarmist.

I say that you are overreacting. Yes!

Beck did mention that the log in is for dealers. Once. Noone who is repeating what Beck said, has re-stated that important fact except for you, and me. And I expect that from you. You are consistently accurate. Even when I disagree with you on issues, you do play by the common rules of interpreting information based on the information. So it is my bad that I didn't put that information as accurately as I should have. The wife was hurrying me to come watch a movie, while I was trying to post.

The key that is missing that I didn't illustrate well enough, is that the "computers" that the language describes are the computers that Store the information. They are federal computers already. The dealers log into the system, which is a federally operated and owned system.

But it's my opinion that the mainstream media isn't interested in telling the truth. They are interested in generating the largest reaction , per news item that they can. Because that makes other people tune in, and when they sufficiently generate enough headlines by building a controversy, then they get to milk that very controversy for further ratings.

They rely heavily on people overreacting, and spreading this kind of information through e-mails and at the water cooler, and trying to cook the information down into a single statement, or sound bite, that other people can easily and quickly repeat, without the need to research it.
That is what they do. that is how they generate money. and noone seems to take that into consideration on a daily basis.

it is their profession, to dress up, or dress down, information, so that it gets people interested in listening to more.

Most of you guys are so critical of every little thing. Anything Keth Olberman, or Rachel Maddow says, is an instant lie, total leftist socialist liberal propaganda.
But anything Glen Beck or Sean Hannity, or Bil Oreily, or Rush Limbaugh says, is not only fact, it's truth, and it's done against he will of the left wing media to HELP YOU!!
They constantly tell you how "The Media" the Left Wing Liberal Hate Machine that wants to kill your baby, steal your gun, and put a ghetto gangster rapist in your daughters bedroom, as a roomate as part of the socialist reperations, is trying to keep them from telling you the truth.

They tap into our American need to root for the underdog, by constantly talking about themselves as the underdog. They constantly make themselves, and by extension, YOU, the victim, so you feel a need to defend yourselves and them.

And you still listen to that ignoring the simplest truth of all, while Stating it at least 2-3 times in EVERY SINGLE THREAD.

AMerica is the richest, most powerfull country in the world!!!

How is that true, if the Left Wing Liberals dominate everything so much, that they constantly try to keep these guys from telling you the truth???

If liberals control that much, and America is the Richest Most Powerful Country in the world. Then it is to the credit of Liberals.

If the Rishest Most Powerfull country in the world is in fact NOT run successfully to this point by liberals, then you have to acknowledge that all these commmentators are constantly pulling your string, which means they simply look at you, as a tool. They don't respect your opinions, and lie to you on a regular basis, just to get what they want.

But instead of ackowledging either aspect of this, someone will just mis-represent my forum monicker, and make some comment that I should move to Mexico, or Canada, or Stop trying to destroy America.

Cause those tried and true responses are all that are left of conservatism in America.
 

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I didn't say words don't matter. I believe just the opposite. Words are they key to intent.

And I didn't say you are an alarmist.

I say that you are overreacting. Yes!

Beck did mention that the log in is for dealers. Once. Noone who is repeating what Beck said, has re-stated that important fact except for you, and me. And I expect that from you. You are consistently accurate. Even when I disagree with you on issues, you do play by the common rules of interpreting information based on the information. So it is my bad that I didn't put that information as accurately as I should have. The wife was hurrying me to come watch a movie, while I was trying to post.

The key that is missing that I didn't illustrate well enough, is that the "computers" that the language describes are the computers that Store the information. They are federal computers already. The dealers log into the system, which is a federally operated and owned system.

But it's my opinion that the mainstream media isn't interested in telling the truth. They are interested in generating the largest reaction , per news item that they can. Because that makes other people tune in, and when they sufficiently generate enough headlines by building a controversy, then they get to milk that very controversy for further ratings.

They rely heavily on people overreacting, and spreading this kind of information through e-mails and at the water cooler, and trying to cook the information down into a single statement, or sound bite, that other people can easily and quickly repeat, without the need to research it.
That is what they do. that is how they generate money. and noone seems to take that into consideration on a daily basis.

it is their profession, to dress up, or dress down, information, so that it gets people interested in listening to more.

Most of you guys are so critical of every little thing. Anything Keth Olberman, or Rachel Maddow says, is an instant lie, total leftist socialist liberal propaganda.
But anything Glen Beck or Sean Hannity, or Bil Oreily, or Rush Limbaugh says, is not only fact, it's truth, and it's done against he will of the left wing media to HELP YOU!!
They constantly tell you how "The Media" the Left Wing Liberal Hate Machine that wants to kill your baby, steal your gun, and put a ghetto gangster rapist in your daughters bedroom, as a roomate as part of the socialist reperations, is trying to keep them from telling you the truth.

They tap into our American need to root for the underdog, by constantly talking about themselves as the underdog. They constantly make themselves, and by extension, YOU, the victim, so you feel a need to defend yourselves and them.

And you still listen to that ignoring the simplest truth of all, while Stating it at least 2-3 times in EVERY SINGLE THREAD.

AMerica is the richest, most powerfull country in the world!!!

How is that true, if the Left Wing Liberals dominate everything so much, that they constantly try to keep these guys from telling you the truth???

If liberals control that much, and America is the Richest Most Powerful Country in the world. Then it is to the credit of Liberals.

If the Rishest Most Powerfull country in the world is in fact NOT run successfully to this point by liberals, then you have to acknowledge that all these commmentators are constantly pulling your string, which means they simply look at you, as a tool. They don't respect your opinions, and lie to you on a regular basis, just to get what they want.

But instead of ackowledging either aspect of this, someone will just mis-represent my forum monicker, and make some comment that I should move to Mexico, or Canada, or Stop trying to destroy America.

Cause those tried and true responses are all that are left of conservatism in America.
is it possible to clap your hands as well as your feet at the same time? if it is, thats what i am doing for you butterbone. its true for both sides of the fence as well. both sides are guilty as hell. and that is where i think the country is headed, not because of taxes, overreaching laws, bad leadership, etc. its because the people of this country won't wake up and realize that they are being used. Both democrats and republicans. Conservatives and Liberals. Both sides are being pimped by those in power and all day long 'the people' are so preoccupied with defending their little theories about the way they are getting f*&^ed by those bastards in washington and all the while they don't realize that they are part of the problem. just a nation full of delusional beings walking around like zombies. and there are plenty of people who believe that everyone else is a zombie or a sheeple or whatever the hell you call them but but delusionally think that they are not one as well. i got news for all ya'll. you are being played. If you don't think you are being played, then that means that you are being played even harder.

I have been guilty of all of this as well. but i have started to realize what the hell is really going on and i feel like for me, its been eye opening. its also been very depressing. i'm doing my best not to be part of the problem anymore, but i am pretty sure nobody has any idea how to be part of the solution.
 

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i'm doing my best not to be part of the problem anymore, but i am pretty sure nobody has any idea how to be part of the solution.
That's how I feel. I can argue my points on how I feel the country should be ran, but don't really know what to do about it past that.
 

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The key that is missing that I didn't illustrate well enough, is that the "computers" that the language describes are the computers that Store the information. They are federal computers already. The dealers log into the system, which is a federally operated and owned system.
How do you figure? The government didn't give the dealers computers to the dealers to log into the system with. These are the dealer's privately owned computer systems that are merely connecting to a GOVT operated website. The banner says that by connecting your (dealer's) computer to the website, your computer and all its contents are now considered to be govt property.

"This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, Dot, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."
 

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"When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system "
When logged onto the cars system. The application connects to a federal system. While attached to a federal system, the machine running the application becomes part of the system. There is no wording there that gives the author owner or originator of the CARS application access to any files on the computer other than what is part of the application and input into the system.
 

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Left Wing Liberal Hate Machine that wants to kill your baby, steal your gun, and put a ghetto gangster rapist in your daughters bedroom, as a roomate as part of the socialist reperations, is trying to keep them from telling you the truth.



WELLQ!! It's about time you finally noticed it. Oh BTW you can tell when Keith Oberman and Rachel Maddow are lying.................Their lips are moving!!!
 

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I say that you are overreacting. Yes!
So by interpeting my native language and being concerned the federal government ,who is under control of someone I have heard from his own mouth say he wants to fundamentally change this country and also spread the wealth, I am overreacting? Should I just say nothing and voice no concern when I think something is not right because of the source I got it from? Information comes from many places , yes I listen to Glenn Beck and have for years on his radio show, I also listen to Howard Stern..so what? I get info and do my own research on it, there is so much being shoved at us at once I can't catch everything, I saw this did the research, yes went to the cars.gov site and realized it was dealer access only that message would come up on. That didn't make me feel good about the unconstitutional language of that waiver/agreement so I voiced my concern.

Beck did mention that the log in is for dealers. Once.

The key that is missing that I didn't illustrate well enough, is that the "computers" that the language describes are the computers that Store the information. They are federal computers already. The dealers log into the system, which is a federally operated and owned system.
Beck mentioned it was dealers once on Fri 7/31 and restated it twice on Mon 8/3. I disagree with your asseement of what the "computers" are it clearly states "your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is property of the United States Government and that any or all uses of this system and all files may be intercepted ,monitored..etc ,and released to authorized CARS,DoT, law enforcement personnel , as well as authorized officials of other agengies both FOREIGN (emphasis mine) and domestic." I read that to say they can look at and do what they wish with any info on any computer that has accepted this clause.

But it's my opinion that the mainstream media isn't interested in telling the truth. They are interested in generating the largest reaction , per news item that they can. Because that makes other people tune in, and when they sufficiently generate enough headlines by building a controversy, then they get to milk that very controversy for further ratings.

They rely heavily on people overreacting, and spreading this kind of information through e-mails and at the water cooler, and trying to cook the information down into a single statement, or sound bite, that other people can easily and quickly repeat, without the need to research it.
That is what they do. that is how they generate money. and noone seems to take that into consideration on a daily basis.

it is their profession, to dress up, or dress down, information, so that it gets people interested in listening to more.

Most of you guys are so critical of every little thing. Anything Keth Olberman, or Rachel Maddow says, is an instant lie, total leftist socialist liberal propaganda.
But anything Glen Beck or Sean Hannity, or Bil Oreily, or Rush Limbaugh says, is not only fact, it's truth, and it's done against he will of the left wing media to HELP YOU!!
They constantly tell you how "The Media" the Left Wing Liberal Hate Machine that wants to kill your baby, steal your gun, and put a ghetto gangster rapist in your daughters bedroom, as a roomate as part of the socialist reperations, is trying to keep them from telling you the truth.

They tap into our American need to root for the underdog, by constantly talking about themselves as the underdog. They constantly make themselves, and by extension, YOU, the victim, so you feel a need to defend yourselves and them.
Is media interested in the truth? Probably not, as it is a for profit enterprise. Do I watch MSNBC,NBC, CNN anymore? Not much. I used to and during the 8 years of Bush bashing I decided their particular entertainment slant on the news didn't concur with mine and was only validated in watching their coverage of Obama as a candidate. Do I think someone who says they have a thrill run up their leg ,and who says its their job to help THIS , not the last one mind you who's first year began with the most devastating terrosist attack on american soil ever, but THIS president to succeed, is going to tell it like it is? No I don't. So I make the decision not to watch. Yes I watch Fox I like Glenn Beck. O'Reilly is allright but self serving, and I don't like Hannity at all, and btw I watch it during the day too when they just report news and I like their coverage better than CNN but if its breaking news I will watch Headline news too. I also read internet news sites and history books. I use the media as a jumping off point and don't take anything as gospel.

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And you still listen to that ignoring the simplest truth of all, while Stating it at least 2-3 times in EVERY SINGLE THREAD.

AMerica is the richest, most powerfull country in the world!!!

How is that true, if the Left Wing Liberals dominate everything so much, that they constantly try to keep these guys from telling you the truth???

If liberals control that much, and America is the Richest Most Powerful Country in the world. Then it is to the credit of Liberals.

If the Rishest Most Powerfull country in the world is in fact NOT run successfully to this point by liberals, then you have to acknowledge that all these commmentators are constantly pulling your string, which means they simply look at you, as a tool. They don't respect your opinions, and lie to you on a regular basis, just to get what they want.

But instead of ackowledging either aspect of this, someone will just mis-represent my forum monicker, and make some comment that I should move to Mexico, or Canada, or Stop trying to destroy America.

Cause those tried and true responses are all that are left of conservatism in America.
Well unfortunately due to policies by both parties in the last oh lets say 18 years to be fair, and the push for globalism, we aren't the richest most powerful nation in the world. Guesses? anyone? Ding ding ding thats right ...China is. So I will extend my thanks to the liberals and conservatives who put us in this position, but god yes the liberals in control of both branches now seem headlong in securing the coffin nails and also removing that one thing we did keep above all other nations...freedom. To your main point if the liberals wouln't have blocked some things maybe we still would be the richest most powerful nation, who knows? As I've said elsewhere I think the system is a sham and a good ol boy network no matter if they put on a donkey or an elephant mask in front of the camera. At the end of the day they are smoking cigars and drinking patting each others back. Do some talking heads go overboard? Yes. On both sides. However Fox and talk radio do represent a conservative viewpoint that wasn't presented before. As far as lying , well who knows before Fox how much we didn't hear because the networks had a lock on the information and decided what we heard and saw. So I argue Fox has made the whole business more even and forced stories out that maybe you wouldn't have seen. Lets take this topic..if Beck wouldn't have reported it...would Olberman or Maddow have mentioned it?

As far as suggesting you move or stop trying to destroy America...well in my opinion the America I want is one that lets you state your opinion without being shouted down. We all have life experiences and things that shape us why should you not be allowed to express your opinion?

I myself did not vote for the current President I don't like what I've heard him say..not what was told to me by my conservative network masters mind you..what I've heard the man say myself, from his own lips. So I will voice my concerns and you are free to call it overreaction or whatever you like because while we aren't the richest and most powerful any longer IMO, we are by god the most free..and I intend to keep it that way..even if I must overreact to do it.
 

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I don't think there is such thing as an overreaction when it comes to talking about how much control the Federal Gov't has over things like computer security and privacy.
 
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