The guns of "Firefly" **Image links

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by neothespian, Nov 4, 2007.

  1. neothespian

    neothespian Member

    Since we were dangerously close to a friendly hijacking of a thread....decided to do this one proper for all you Browncoats out there. Did research and also hit some of the production sites of the weapons designers from Buffy (many of whom worked on Firefly as well) and found some awesome specs and actual designer notes. I'd personally kill to do THIS instead of playing around with non-profit theaters...*sigh*:

    Jayne's "Vera" (that's what he called it, since like most arms in the story concept it was a piecemeal from whatever parts were available). The creator, Joss Whedon, said that this was based off of a Saiga 12 semi-auto and just "prettied" up a bit.


    Mare's leg (Zoe Washburne, Firefly/Serenity)

    Zoe's sidearm, a lever action Winchester 1892 rifle in .44 40with an enlarged hand-guard (which makes a handy knuckleduster in the close quarters of the combat she is usually engaged in) and a cut down stock an barrel


    Jayne's pistol (Jayne Cobb, Firefly/Serenity)

    Jaynes weapon is a LeMat Revolver with the underbarrel shotgun (yes, you heard right, super-duper borg-dropper pistols were invented in the 19th century) removed and meaningless flash added by the prop department. (which was common for this series, in "War Stories" Simon Tam is seen using a glock with a scope mount, but no scope)


    Mal's pistol (Malcolm Reynolds, Firefly/Serenity)

    This antique styled weapon is the favourite of Mal Reynolds, captain of the "Serenity". It features a magazine of unknown capacity placed forward of the triggerguard, and the frame is based on an anitque revolver.

    While the weapon features in a series set around 500years in the future, the weapon is seen to be loaded with ammunition of convention type, but the the firing sound (like all in the series)is substantialy different from normal gunshots, perhaps the result of a new kind of propellant?


    Interesting fact: The pilot "Wash" never carried a gun except in 3 episodes, but there was also never one designed into his costuming. While nothing was stated by the production company about the obvious difference, there are rumors that the actor who played Wash was actually under charges from a potential felony during the production and was prohibited from handling a weapon until much later in production, although this hasn't been confirmed yet. (still researching this bit)

    Inara's Pistol (Firefly/Serenity)
    A finely-made 'dress' pistol, probably modified for accuracy... and quiet. Seen in Trash.

    The prop for the pistol Inara held on Saffron was actually a stainless steel Ruger Mk. II .22 auto pistol. It has what looks like a Cutts compensator on the barrel and an item attached to look like a laser sight and/or scope.
    (No picture available)

    Independent Faction Assault Rifles

    1. A bull-pup configuration rifle used by Sgt. Malcolm Reynolds at the Battle of Serenity Valley. (Seen in the hands of Mal during the opening credits of all episodes of Firefly as well as during the opening scene of the Serenity Pilot, Part 1. (The prop of this weapon is a FAMAS assault rifle, a weapon in service with the French military.)

    2. Mal switches this weapon out at the base camp - he retrives a more conventional rifle of the same make as that carried by Zoe. It would seem that the Independents make use of a number of weapons. (The prop for this weapon is the Heckler and Koch G36, a weapon system currently in service with the German Forces as well as the NATO Rapid Reaction Force. It is also the basis, with the addition a magazine adapter and a snap on 25mm cannon, of the next generation US weapon... the OICW - Objective Individual Combat Weapon)

    3. During the wartime flashback of the episode The Message we see Mal using a smaller submachinegun with a folding or collapsable stock. (The prop for this weapon is the Heckler and Koch UMP-45. A .45 caliber submachinegun that fires the .45 ACP round from a 25 round magazine.)

    Why are the guns so much antique in a show set 500 years in the future???

    There is speculation that the seemingly archaic gun designs that exist within the Firefly universe come from a similarly archaic gun law. The theory goes that there was a gun law devised to reduce the number of guns available to the public. From the initiation of the law, no new guns were to be sold--however a provision was made that allowed "pre-ban" weapons to be exempt from the controls in place. This law has presumably been in effect for many hundreds of years by now, grandfathered into law by the Alliance and its territories. Nowadays guns that would be nothing but antiques and curiousities are the only things everyday folks are allowed to arm themselves with. There's doubtless a lot of couterfeit antique guns, some with actual faked serial numbers and the like to pass cursory checks, which is why so many of these "antique" guns exist (and why the cost for one isn't astronomical!). Likewise it's possible that the same legislation that allows pre-ban guns to be sold likewise covers guns remanufactured using old pre-ban parts--which would go a long way to explain the firearms that have obvious similarities to weapons from bygone eras, but with a more modern sci-fi look. Obviously the Alliance government has no such restrictions, which is why their weapons are so dramatically more futuristic. This is just a theory, no canon here, but it does seem to fit the facts nicely; certainly better than the unsavory idea that people are terraforming planets and traveling in spaceships but Barrettas and civil war revolvers are somehow state of the art...
  2. Why are your top 3 pics not posting Neo?

  3. neothespian

    neothespian Member

    try again....a few glitches. I had to upload to a 4th party server since Tripod is being all ***** about bandwith sharing
  4. Now none of the pictures are showing.... you might want to save those pics and upload to photobucket.
  5. Since it was, I believe, my thread you were "hijacking" and since I started my own hijacking by mentioning Firefly and continuing to do so, I just wanted to swing by and say it is certainly nice to find a group of people who're interested in the same things I am. Guns, survival, Firefly... are you kidding me? This forum and its members kinda remind me of Serenity and its crew (although there's probably a lot more Jaynes than Kaylees in here), if that's not too much of a stretch. And I really appreciate having this place to connect with people I can identify with. A real first for me.

    "What does that make us?"
    "Big damn heroes, sir."
    "Ain't we just!!!"

  6. elguapo

    elguapo Guest

    I am a fan of the movie, but yet have to own that....
    But on stony's description about us...I have to agree.
    Jayne..hes got the right mindset: Bring more...dont hurt....hurts more to not bring enough.
  7. neothespian

    neothespian Member

    Ok, I don't get it: The pics show up when I access the page. I'll work on it later tonight (Which, ironically, entails going to my girl's sister's place for a "Firefly/Serenity" party. It seems alot of their friends have never even seen the series)

    As for there being too many Jaynes, I'm partial to either Sheppard Book or Wash....

    Wash: "This is gonna get pretty interesting."
    Mal: "Define interesting."
    Wash: "Oh, God, oh, God, we're all gonna die?"

    Book: If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of Hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.
  8. I like to think of myself as equal parts Mal and Wash. Especially when Mal gets flustered and tongue tied and sarcastic. I dunno, I think the characters are so easy to identify with. It truly is a tragedy that it couldn't have lasted longer. At least they listened to the fans and made Serenity to try and tie up loose ends.

    I think one of the things makes it great is that it's so quoteable. "Well, what about you, Shepherd? How come you're flying about with us brigands? I mean, shouldn't you be off bringing religiosity to the Fuzzie-Wuzzies or some such?" My employees have gotten used to me saying things are "shiny" although they don't know why I do.

    I suppose if I was brave I'd put on my Firefly gear and post a pic. I'll probably just go juggle goslings instead.

  9. AGuyNamedMike

    AGuyNamedMike Lifetime Supporter

    Great thing about that quotability...

    I've used the term "shiny" for many many years as an adjective for things I find agreeable. It stems from the fact that I have a special appreciation for the female form when clad in shiny vinyl or latex. Luckily, when my wife hears me say it, she can think it's from Firefly instead.
  10. Thanks for the post Neo, I loved reading up on those wonderful toys.
    I certainly don't mind admitting I'm 80% Jayne, with 10% Malcom and 5 and 5 Wash and the Shepherd. My wife has definitely got Inara's sarcastic wit. My mother-in-law is absolutely,without a doubt, a Reaver through and through.
  11. No pictures here either.

    Do you need some storage space?
  12. Yet another with no pictures. :(

    I thought it might be a difference between FireFox and IE, but I don't see pix on either one.
  13. JoeDoe22

    JoeDoe22 Member

    I see the pics. The first one looks like something out of a lego set.
  14. neothespian

    neothespian Member

    Images repaired and linked back to my server. Screw tripod :evil: :evil: :evil:
  15. YAY! pix work. And they're b.b.b.beautiful!!
  16. Neo, just wanted to say awesome pics and awesome info :) I'm gonna have to grab the Firefly series back from my dad so I can give it another watching now :)
  17. You know, I have never seen the FireFly series..... I have seen Serenity, but not Firefly.... Does this make me a bad Admin? :? :shock: :oops:
  18. Primal, :shock:

    Not only does that make you a bad Admin, it doesn't say much for your moral character either. :D Sarcastic as you are you NEED Serenity to add to your arsenal.

    I just watched "The Message." I love the final scene when they're bringing Tracy off the ship. The clothes they're wearing are the best in the series, IMHO and the score is top-notch.

    "They don't like it when you shoot at them...I worked that one out myself!"

  19. I LOVE Firefly. Consider myself a bit of a Browncoat. Anyway, my favorite line has always been: "The days of my not takin you seriously are just about comin to a middle..." which by the immediately follows when Jayne tries to trade Vera for Saffron...
  20. Fenix

    Fenix Guest

    I'm a Wash, hands down. :D I even have his dinosaur speech memorized :p :lol: