The more I read this the angrier I get

I guess they just see Hi Point as an easier target to vilify. Typical of what passes for journalism today.

Wow...didn't know S&W is even "thugier" than a Hi Point...
Seriously, nearly twice as many (media math there) S&W as HP? What's the apparent gun of choice for the young upwardly mobile thug after all?
And Ruger only 1% behind? I bet that one percent is statistically insignificant, so we'll call them even...
Sounds like we are number three in that race, to me!

It goes to show that most guns used in crimes are stolen or "borrowed" from others, and have not necessarily been purchased legally by the criminal himself. It's my guess that the Hi-Points were originally owned by legitimate but perhaps careless gun owners from the same neighborhoods as the criminals.

Here's a related post of stats I had up earlier this year. I think you'll find it interesting.

http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum/index.php/topic,17674.msg184259.html#msg184259

I was doing some research of lawsuits against Hi Point firearms and came accross this news story.

The Hi-Point: Cheap, easy to find, popular with criminals, and made in Ohio

Top 5 guns

Guns seized by Cleveland police after crimes in 2005.

Maker Guns seized
1. Smith & Wesson 204 (13%)
2. Hi-Point/Beemiller 113 (7%)
3. Sturm, Ruger 91 (6%)
4. Taurus 62 (4%)
5. Colt 50 (3%)
http://blog.cleveland.com/pdworld/2007/09/the_hipoint_cheap_easy_to_find.html

It's all about how the criminals love Hi Point but the numbers show that Smith & Wesson was by far the pick. Also they never mentioned if any of the Hi Points were stolen or not.

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remember that SW has been selling guns since 1852 loooong before the HP founder was born. so, if you keep in mind the amount of weapons sold by SW and the amount by HP

for example: total gun sold from the start to 2005
SW= 12,000,000 guns
HP= 100,000 guns

I read another story like that earlier today.It was from New York and it said that High points were a favorite among criminals. It also said that they can be had on the street for as little as 250.00. I guess that shows how stupid these criminals are to pay that much more than retail. Or maybe the writer of the article to think that 250.00 is cheap for a High Point.

One thing to think about is if hi-point raised the price of there guns I don't even think this would be a debate. But because they chose to sell them at a lower cost they get put in the "cheap" category and will get bashed on by the media all the time. 250.00 for a hi point, that's why they have to commit crimes they are too dumb to work a normal job. Lol-- just kidding or am I.

Yo dats why I likes my 9. Ize can shoots my 9 sideways YO!

My 9 iz a gangsta gun man YO!!!

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lol ya sideways.im waiting for a different waqy to hold now,maybe backwards would be good? :devilsidesmile: for criminals i mean

Remember, the criminal pays a premium for an HP, as they can't buy it legally themselves...
Wonder what a S&W or any other semi-auto handgun sold to the same criminal costs? My guess is...... the same price?

Easy to find???

Locally I haven't seen one in a year and it wasn't the 9mm or .380 i'm waiting for either. Mike

as a comparison, a local ring of gunrunners was busted in my home town two years ago selling stolen handguns on teh indian reservation. any auto handgun was bringing 800-1000$ with ammo. revolvers were 500-750$. rifles and shotguns were 1500$ and ARs and AKs were bringing 2500$. most of the buyers were drug dealers.

SW

i think the numbers of guns used in crimes demonstrates just how many have been sold. the more guns that are sold of a certain kind means that there is a higher chance of one getting stolen and used by a criminal i bet if you checked into the sell numbers that they would coincide with the list you have. if highpoint wasn't such a good gun and haven sold so many there wouldn't be so many being stolen and used. same thing with stolen cars a thief won't still a unwanted car that he can't turn around and scrap he's gonna go for a popular car that he knows there is alot of them on the road and he can cut it up and sell it for parts.

I happen to know a few iffy people and on the streets mainly the only thing that determines a guns value is the caliber. One of my friends got him a .380 for 125 bucks then I saw it it was a walther ppk/s.

So he's a criminal? Or he just received stolen property? Oops, that makes him a criminal... :devilsidesmile:
Not meaning to get personal, but man, if the deal is too good to be true...why risk it?

The rule of law does not deter the lawless. Aside from "strawman" sales, the majority of firearms in the hands of the lawless were stolen from someone. Other than "bed side" and carry guns, the expensive arms are more likely to be better protected, i.e., in a good quality gun safe or other secure means of protecting them. My Hi-Point arms are near my bed and in our family room, at hand not locked away. That need for ready access makes them easier to steal.

If it were not for dependable and reasonably priced arms. I would not be as well armed as I am. Kudos to Beemiller and d&#n the pointy-headed gun critics.