Just got back from the range. My dad recently bought my bro a 9mm Beretta 92FS, brand new with 3 mags, for his 21st birthday. its nice but i swear to you, at 33 feet, my groupings were tighter and all in the lung area with my HP. 45, than my brother who was shooting at 22 feet, and about a 1/4 were hitting in the arm area. now, i dont know if its just me, but damn, its proved itself again! 170 bucks outshot a 400 dollar gun.