[Butterbone]

I read these forums, and a couple others, pretty much exclusively.

Google news, and then I pick and choose what sources I want to read from.

High Point Forums.

Opencarry.org.

A really Liberal News blog called Raw Story, and a Really conservative news blog called Drudge report.

There is only one other, but I read it for the content, not for news.

What I find so amusing right now is the rants and yells of "civil war" coming sooner and sooner in every group of responses to a news story. They are pairing up almost prefectly on Drudge and Raw. It's like a mirror.

So these two supposedly distinct and seperate groups both obviously want a civil war to start so that from their perspectives the offending party can be punished and all it's followers exiled or worse.

If the rhetoric keeps flying, and the party war threats continue, what acts as the match to this gasoline soaked bonfire do you think???

What do you guys see as the most probable trigger? Not the rhetorical trigger about Libs and Repubs and so on. What can you imagine as the actual real world trigger?

Rodney King or Cincinnati style riots?

Assassination of a key offcial?

Loss of some government entitlement program or the creation of a new level of entitlement that only benfits a certain industry and penalizes working class folks?

It's kind of morbind curiosity. I don't know if discussing what could potentially start this ball rolling is in some breaking the rules. I'm just curious.

Also does anyone have an opinion of why it hasn't already started in some small ways. The real zealots just need to tiniest nudge in the right direction to get started. The governor of Texas is outright calling for sessecion at this point. So is some guy for SC.
If there is such bipartisan support, for a partisan civil war, then what are all the "on the ground" patriots waiting for?

An invitation? A "start of the war" countdown on CNN or something?

Me personally, I think it's all hot air. All talk, no walk. But I routinely underestimate the ability of my fellow Americans to make the worst decision possible, for the best of reasons.

What do you think?

 

[bomber101581]

i think its all talk.....

but hey, thats just me.

i like the fact that there are so many people who are 'ready' for some sort of rebellion, but have no idea what the consequences will really be - they haven't given much thought to what will be left after all the criminals in washington are disposed of. No vision, no forethought - potential for a fall! (i'm sure none of you listen to Sick Of It All, but I thought it fit nicely here)

 

[47_MasoN_47]

I'm not really sure what will start it, but if I had to guess it'll be gov't regulations. I think that Obama has his eyes on our guns, but is just waiting for the opportune disaster or some other such thing to try and take them away. I think that, if anything, policy disarming the citizens will start a revolt.

 

[Slimshady]

Eventually, the government will run out of our money and have printed so much that the Dollar will collapse on world markets. Unemployment benefits, welfare, etc. are going to stop, or be so far behind hyperinflation that they might as well have stopped. Jobless rate will skyrocket, making the Great Depression look like a "the good old days". People get hungry, especially in a large city where there is no alternate source of food besides the local supermarket and there will be riots, looting, etc. Back in the day, people had a sense of community, knew everybody in the neighborhood, etc. They came together in a crisis. Now, it will be a war zone in the inner cities. Expect a slow and screwed up Federal aid response that makes the Katrina mess look like a well choreagraphed exercise in how to successfully deal with a disaster. That will be the beginning. It will escalate from there.

 

[Rhodes]

Hmm the left calling for civil war? What are they going to use ? Harsh language? Freaking loons.

We are a good long ways from things coming to that lets hope we can vote out or impeach ourselves out of this mess first.

 

[NDS]

The country has been this agitated in the past and not resorted to mass violence. But it has gone to violence more than once, one of those instances led to our 'civil' war. I don't think anybody can know with any degree of certainty what may precipitate violence but a lot of people have certain 'triggers' they are watching for. You can pay attention to your own chosen indicators and find that something unanticipated causes the breakdown to begin. What concerns me is the time after it starts.

Once social norms are truly broken down, I don't think it will again become peaceful and civil easily. I know I sound obtuse, but I'd like for the people of this nation to open their eyes and return us to a sane society without resorting to violent disruption. I'm pretty certain my hope for that is futile and I fear the consequences of any coming incivility.

 

[perotter]

What do you guys see as the most probable trigger? Not the rhetorical trigger about Libs and Repubs and so on. What can you imagine as the actual real world trigger?

Rodney King or Cincinnati style riots?

If there is such bipartisan support, for a partisan civil war, then what are all the "on the ground" patriots waiting for?

IMO, declining standard of living & the trigger being riots. If full blown bread & circus returns, not likely. More like what happened in Eastern Europe than what has happened here in the past.

What are they waiting for? Still stockpiling munitions? Maybe they are all waiting for Hipoint to start selling an inexpensive .223?

 

[perotter]

i think its all talk.....

but hey, thats just me.

i like the fact that there are so many people who are 'ready' for some sort of rebellion, but have no idea what the consequences will really be - they haven't given much thought to what will be left after all the criminals in washington are disposed of. No vision, no forethought - potential for a fall! (i'm sure none of you listen to Sick Of It All, but I thought it fit nicely here)

Such things seldom work out for the better. Looking Eastern Europe, in many places organized crime is now the government.

 

[bomber101581]

in many places organized crime is now the government.

not much different than what we have now

 

[bomber101581]

Hmm the left calling for civil war? What are they going to use ? Harsh language? Freaking loons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization

i thought you knew better than that

remember that you are going to have to share your revolution with some people you wouldn't normally get along with

 

[futuremodal]

Hmm the left calling for civil war? What are they going to use ? Harsh language? Freaking loons.

I'm not really sure what will start it, but if I had to guess it'll be gov't regulations. I think that Obama has his eyes on our guns, but is just waiting for the opportune disaster or some other such thing to try and take them away. I think that, if anything, policy disarming the citizens will start a revolt.

These two have it nailed. On the one hand, Rhodes points out the absurdity of leftists (in this country anyway) trying to start a war without arming their army of loons. Remember this though - the left can only fight a real civil war via their proxies in the police state. Without the police or military to back them up, they are essentially unarmed compared to the right.

47_MasoN_47 is probably spot on when envisioning just how a new US civil war would start. It would be some sort of martial law enaction, wherein the Administration/DNS tries an end around to circumvent the 2nd Amendment. Nothing good can happen if the feds try to disarm the citizens, and such an act would assuredly end up in widespread bloodshed.

 

[perotter]

remember that you are going to have to share your revolution with some people you wouldn't normally get along with

Only for a while. Then the 'winners' can fight amongst themselves.

Study the details of Cuba. The various groups fight each other for 20 years. Finally Castro & his small band was the only one left.

Might be a message in there some where.

 

[perotter]

in many places organized crime is now the government.

not much different than what we have now

Except the ones now have kind of been voted in.

 

[bomber101581]

in many places organized crime is now the government.

not much different than what we have now

Except the ones now have kind of been voted in.

ahhh yes, there is that

 

[Silicon Wolverine]

i think its all talk.....

but hey, thats just me.

i like the fact that there are so many people who are 'ready' for some sort of rebellion, but have no idea what the consequences will really be - they haven't given much thought to what will be left after all the criminals in washington are disposed of. No vision, no forethought - potential for a fall! (i'm sure none of you listen to Sick Of It All, but I thought it fit nicely here)

For once you and i agree. it is easy to destroy a government, but diffcult to create one. we have the advantage of teh constitution and BOR to fall back on as "default". I think much of it would fall back on local and state government to handle.

FWIW i abhorr the idea of armed conflict on our soil, but should it be nessesary, i say bring it on. There are plenty of americans who remain silent while washington spouts and splutters. Just remember its the silent ones you have to worry about the most. they dont waste time with bullshit and bluster. they skip right to teh killin'.

SW

 

[bomber101581]

i think its all talk.....

but hey, thats just me.

i like the fact that there are so many people who are 'ready' for some sort of rebellion, but have no idea what the consequences will really be - they haven't given much thought to what will be left after all the criminals in washington are disposed of. No vision, no forethought - potential for a fall! (i'm sure none of you listen to Sick Of It All, but I thought it fit nicely here)

For once you and i agree. it is easy to destroy a government, but diffcult to create one. we have the advantage of teh constitution and BOR to fall back on as "default". I think much of it would fall back on local and state government to handle.

FWIW i abhorr the idea of armed conflict on our soil, but should it be nessesary, i say bring it on. There are plenty of americans who remain silent while washington spouts and splutters. Just remember its the silent ones you have to worry about the most. they dont waste time with bullshat and bluster. they skip right to teh killin'.

SW

+100

 

[bullseye]

There is so many triggers in place already, like mentioned above. Lets see, we have the scary h1n1 quarantine possibility or better yet the scary riots of those waiting in line to get their shots that the national guard has been training for. Would be a perfect time to go grabbing.

Any natural disaster that results in more then the local response team can handle and gets media attention (California wildfires omitted because well..it is California.)

I see gas being another silent trigger, all these people unemployed, those still employed struggling to make ends meet. If gas spikes to that $4+ a gallon crap that would be just one more slap to the face.

Surprisingly though I find the extremist fruitcakes are showing extreme self control in not overly acting out or being vocal about their disgust. I think the fact the media for the most part is not giving a lot of "disgust" the attention it normally does is keeping a mild rain on the matches being lit.

What I do find concerning though is the average joe citizen both male and female making the news doing crazy crazy things. All these mass family killings, murder suicides, mothers killing babys, i mean just crazy crazy stuff. Either this stuff is just now being covered more frequently by the media or it is on the rise. Either way, when you step back and look ..that is just plain old scary.Seems like to me those people were already triggered.

 

[Rhodes]

Well Im still not a 100% or anywhere near it yet, hate getting sick.

Anyway not going to go into a lot of explanation since its already been handled by other more competent posters an the matter of the sheer silliness of a leftist revolt. The left has been disarmed for a generation, our gun toting lefties excluded bless them. There is no real fight in the left I can see and the Feds are completely unafraid of anything from that quarter. I really am not being insulting it is just a matter of fact, the man is the weapon not the gun.

As for the whole idea of shooting Americans I find it so revolting the words just cant describe it. That does not mean something so horrible cant happen to make it the lesser of two evils. Something we are very used to as Americans, but on that day the Republic dies so it better be worth it. In the mean time it seems Congress and the Administration are doing everything they can to bring that black day to reality.

I am more sad than angry.

 

[bullseye]

lol..Rhodes I like when you are 100%...do we need to take a collection up and send you bottles of vitamin C and b12 so you get better faster?

As for the whole idea of shooting Americans I find it so revolting the words just cant describe it. That does not mean something so horrible cant happen to make it the lesser of two evils. Something we are very used to as Americans, but on that day the Republic dies so it better be worth it. In the mean time it seems Congress and the Administration are doing everything they can to bring that black day to reality.

Agreed! Even Hollywood cannot desensitize that subject, though they are trying... IE: 2012,The Road and Carriers to name a few yet to be released ones.

 

[Rhodes]

lol..Rhodes I like when you are 100%...do we need to take a collection up and send you bottles of vitamin C and b12 so you get better faster?

As for the whole idea of shooting Americans I find it so revolting the words just cant describe it. That does not mean something so horrible cant happen to make it the lesser of two evils. Something we are very used to as Americans, but on that day the Republic dies so it better be worth it. In the mean time it seems Congress and the Administration are doing everything they can to bring that black day to reality.

Agreed! Even Hollywood cannot desensitize that subject, though they are trying... IE: 2012,The Road and Carriers to name a few yet to be released ones.

Thanks Im getting there they just have me on these hi-power antibiotics that make me feel like crap but I finished those today. Even have a chance of going shooting tomorrow to get ready for an Appleseed shoot this weekend, really looking forward to that even had my wife pick up 500 rounds of match ammo for it. At least I dont have to get that seasonal flu shot now lol. They can keep that N1H1 until we know more about it.

As for the subject at hand;
All most of us ever wanted was to be proud of our country and not have someone from the government "trying to help". Liberty is a souls right to breathe free, not a hell of a lot to ask.