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lklawson
So there are 3 pistols that I CC, depending on my needs at the time.
  • Remington R51
  • Kel Tec P11
  • Taurus TCP 738

I haven't yet found a single stack 9 that I like better than the R51 so I have no plans on changing that. I don't care what your R51 does; mine is reliable, soft shooting, has a good trigger, and points very naturally. I may upgrade it eventually because it is unclear right now if the new Remington will continue to support it, but for now, it's staying put.

The P11 and TCP, however, are on the upgrade chopping block. Both have served me well but both are now discontinued firearms. Taurus discontinued the TCP in 2017, replacing it with the SPECTRUM. Kel Tec discontinued the P11 in 2019, replacing it with... nothing. Both the P11 and TCP have their shortcomings, notably long, heavy triggers, and sights that desperately need upgrading. I upgraded the P11 sights to fiber optics a lighter, and upgraded to a smoother trigger but it's still super long. Nothing to do about the TCP; the sights are milled in (and terrible) and I don't recall ever seeing a trigger spring kit for it.

The P11 replacement needs to be something is the same size with comparable capacity. But my 50-something-year-old eyes are telling me that a red dot should be my next pistol sighting system for the primary. So if there's not a RD option, it's out of the running. There are a ton of options right now, and more coming out but the strongest competitors for my needs seem to be the Hellcat and the MAX-9 but the price tag on the RD ready Hellcat puts the Ruger in the lead. I keep hearing good things about the Shield Plus but the dot version significantly grows the form factor and is much more expensive. I keep hearing good things about the Taurus GX4 so maybe if they come out with a TORO version? SCCY claims they're shipping the DVG-1RD but I have yet to see any customer reviews (all of which I take with a grain of salt anyway).

I really haven't looked hard at replacing the TCP. I kinda looked at the SPECTRUM because I like the looks of it and it's the official Taurus replacement but I couldn't talk myself past basically the exact same sights and trigger. I thought about the Ruger LCP II, which has a better trigger but that's pretty much all. Just couldn't bite on it; not really enough improvement. But the new Ruger LCP MAX has significantly better sights, a better trigger than the TCP (and the SPECTRUM), and an astonishing 12 round capacity. That's basically the same thing as the CZ 83 in the same size package as the TCP. Yes, the grip on the MAX is about 1/4" longer and 1/8-1/4" wider. Still a pocket gun and will carry in exactly the same pockets as the TCP.

So right now it looks like I may become a Ruger fanboi, and swap the P11 for a MAX-9 with a red dot and swap the TCP for the LCP MAX.

I'm just kinda thinking out loud here, really. And I likely won't move on anything for another 6 months or more. But, hey, here's where you comment and tell me why I'm right or why I'm wrong. :)

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
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Visper said:
Kirk, Had to chime in on this one. I have had a chance to glance through and one option I did not see listed was the new
Mossberg MC1SC. I really love the trigger and it does point fairly well, least to me. Do yourself a favor and go fondle one of those if/when you get a chance. I guess the only issue with that is no red dot... the Mossberg is surprisingly in the conversation even though they are new to the game when it comes to pistols.
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That's the single-stack that takes the G43 mags, right? I've pretty much set one of my requirements to be at least 10+1 capacity, which rules out the MC1SC. That said, I read that Mossberg just came out with the MC2SC, which is 11+1 and seems to hit the other benchmarks I want.

Getting old and the red dot does help but you will need to retrain yourself to pick up the red dot - I got a mantis training system to retrain my eyes to pick up the red dot...
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That's what I keep reading, yeah. Scott Jedlinski seems to have a good program which I'll follow if/when I end up with a pistol RD.

I also got an aftermarket slide for one of my Glock 19's and put a circle dot on it from swampfox. Way easier to pick up as it's just larger.

Those little red dots aint cheap either so chose wisely lol.
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Thanks for the heads up. I read of another one (can't remember the make/model) which is supposed to have a "ring" which nearly fills the screen so that if you're off, you automatically know which direction to correct.

P.S.
Been lurking a lot lately... sorry I have been on hiatus again...
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Well, it's good to see you back.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
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lklawson said:
That's the single-stack that takes the G43 mags, right? I've pretty much set one of my requirements to be at least 10+1 capacity, which rules out the MC1SC. That said, I read that Mossberg just came out with the MC2SC, which is 11+1 and seems to hit the other benchmarks I want.
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Yup, that is it. Basically Glock internals but they have "fixed the trigger". The MC2SC has the exact same trigger and is basically a G19, once again Glock internals from what I understand so parts will be plentiful!!!

Still no red dot but man that trigger. Points just like the MC1.

Also instead of a red dot I know a few of my friends who have "bucked" the new trend have lasers. Not the 19.99 Amazon specials either lol. My one buddy got the P365 SAS with the Lima laser. I have to admit it is sweet, and totally eliminates the need to pick up a red dot or sights for that matter lol. I'm sure the Mossberg, since it is a Glock knockoff with some improvements, will have a nice laser you can match up with it. Just some food for thought there.

Happy to be back!!! Missed some of you guys!!!

P.S. almost forgot - my 43 holds 9+1 but it did cost me for 2 mags. I bought the ETS 7 rounders and then bought 2 of these:

magguts.com

MagGuts +2 Magazine Conversion for Glock 43 - MagGuts

MagGuts™ - +2 Magazine Conversion for Glock 43 Converts your 6 round Glock 43 magazine into an 8 round magazine while adding less than ¼” to the length. This kit reuses your Glock magazine tube for OEM durability and fit while replacing all other components with MagGuts™ parts. It features our...
magguts.com magguts.com

It works great and adds 2 rounds to my 43 (no red dot) in the same footprint - mags sit flush so would sit flush on the Mossberg.

For my 43X i just bought these mags:

shieldarms.com

S15 Magazine - Gen 2

15 round steel magazine for the Glock® 43X/48, same size as the Glock® 10 round magazine, Black Oxide Finish.
shieldarms.com

Amazing - so far they work - just bought them about a month ago.
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Yup, that is it. Basically Glock internals but they have "fixed the trigger". The MC2SC has the exact same trigger and is basically a G19, once again Glock internals from what I understand so parts will be plentiful!!!
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Yeah, the Mossberg looks like a strong option. Same MSRP as the Ruger.

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lklawson said:
Yeah, the Mossberg looks like a strong option. Same MSRP as the Ruger.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
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I played with the Mossberg when I bought my Sig. I don’t remember what my impression was....but I spent $150 more on the Sig, so I must not have been impressed.
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ajole said:
I played with the Mossberg when I bought my Sig. I don’t remember what my impression was....but I spent $150 more on the Sig, so I must not have been impressed.
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That's fair.

I won't be doing anything with it until at least Jan.

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lklawson said:
That's fair.

I won't be doing anything with it until at least Jan.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
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Top be fair, it was probably the capacity of the single stack; plus the night sights that came with the Sig.
Maybe the double stack model would be a better comparison?
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ajole said:
Top be fair, it was probably the capacity of the single stack; plus the night sights that came with the Sig.
Maybe the double stack model would be a better comparison?
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It isn't in the class of the sig, only $150 difference? They were over charging!!! lol

Can get a Mossberg MC1 for low $300's or maybe you just got a good deal on the Sig.

With that said, I do like them both, but to be fair though - did I like them both enough to buy? Nope - why I have a Sig too and a few different 43 models. Will I own one - I would say yes, just not sure which way I am leaning but I really am considering adding one. Should head back and run a few more through them at the store, I do like that I can rent them there.

The thing that stood out the most to me was the trigger though. Both models that I tried, the trigger was the same, very little creep and crisp break - with a fairly quick reset - in a gun in that price range that is pretty good in my opinion.

Its a little more than a Taurus and a little less than a Glock or Sig - I think that is the niche they are going for.

As for how it points - to me I liked it, but everyone is different when it comes to that. Like I know people that LOVE the hellcat in that regard and love the sights. They just didn't feel right for me. Great little gun with amazing capacity for a single stack, but just not me - I really wanted to like it...

Like anything Ajole - get out there and try it, what feels great to you is what matters and just wanted to give Kirk another option that wouldn't' break the bank - cause we all know he is cheap!!! lol
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I actually sort of liked the Mossberg offering. What kept me away was it just felt cheap, it looked cheap. Probably because it was cheap. I especially disliked the striker channel. And the clear plastic magazines just look....cheezy? (Is that even a word?)

Dosent mean that it was not good.
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I actually sort of liked the Mossberg offering. What kept me away was it just felt cheap, it looked cheap. Probably because it was cheap. I especially disliked the striker channel. And the clear plastic magazines just look....cheezy? (Is that even a word?)

Dosent mean that it was not good.
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Not sure if the mags are Mossberg's or not - thought I read something that they were ETS mags. Now I actually do have a few of the ETS mags. (2) for the 43 and (2) for my 21. They feel cheep, definitely, but they work and keep working. Can't say enough good things about those mags.

Now for the firearm itself, I didn't think it felt cheap at all, it felt fairly solid I thought... but yes it is cheap lol. Elaborate more on the striker channel, that is one thing I did not notice anything "off". Then again I was more looking at how it shot - didn't really take it apart.
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Not sure if the mags are Mossberg's or not - thought I read something that they were ETS mags. Now I actually do have a few of the ETS mags. (2) for the 43 and (2) for my 21. They feel cheep, definitely, but they work and keep working. Can't say enough good things about those mags.

Now for the firearm itself, I didn't think it felt cheap at all, it felt fairly solid I thought... but yes it is cheap lol. Elaborate more on the striker channel, that is one thing I did not notice anything "off". Then again I was more looking at how it shot - didn't really take it apart.
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Just a bunch of plastic where I don’t think there should be plastic.
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and I will add, while searching the web for a picture of the striker, I found out they no longer use the clear plastic magazines, but have gone to steel magazines. Plus 1 for Mossberg!
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The plastic thing is pretty normal... that is a glock firing pin (gen 3). Glock has been doing it for years - lets see how the Mossberg stuff lasts.

And definitely nice on the steel mags now - every one I have tried has had the clear plastic ones. Christ even glock mags are only steel lined so kudos to Mossberg for not totally copying Glock lol.
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The plastic thing is pretty normal... that is a glock firing pin (gen 3). Glock has been doing it for years - lets see how the Mossberg stuff lasts.

And definitely nice on the steel mags now - every one I have tried has had the clear plastic ones. Christ even glock mags are only steel lined so kudos to Mossberg for not totally copying Glock lol.
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When the Mossberg first came out I thought maybe Lakeline had replacement parts for the pistol, but no go. The best thing about the pistol is probably the trigger, it’s wide and flat.

I still prefer a single action hammer fired pistol…aka, the 1911, but I will admit that a striker fired pistol can have a decent trigger.
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I'm in a similar boat w/ my KelTec P32: A dilemna - new sights for P32 or Ruger LCP MAX?
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I'm in a similar boat w/ my KelTec P32: A dilemna - new sights for P32 or Ruger LCP MAX?
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Shot my Max last Saturday. Ran fine. It has a night sight on it. My rear sight is crooked. Have to fix that.
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I'm just hoping the SA HELLCAT I overpaid for is a worthy CCW. I bought it from. SONNY-Boi so it's ok that I overpaid
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I'm just hoping the SA HELLCAT I overpaid for is a worthy CCW. I bought it from. SONNY-Boi so it's ok that I overpaid
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How's the trigger?
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How's the trigger?
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Ok in dry fire... I doubt it will be a deal breaker. But then again I have a swarm of glunks that I deal with, this seems better than those
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Well, I have decided to upgrade my CC too. Got an optics ready slide for my GX4. Going to top it with a Holosun RDS. Deciding between the HS507K X2 or the HS407K X2. The difference seems to be that the 407K has a 6 moa dot while the 507K has a 2 moa dot with a 32 moa ring around it. I am thinking my old eyes will get along better with the 32 moa ring with the dot turned off. Don’t know yet. Do I save the $70 and get the 407K with the 6moa dot? Sure wish I could look through them both before I ordered. I understand that the Holosun 404 - 507 is among the smallest of the RDS and it’s at a price that will not break the bank. Also thinking about buying the Lakeline LLC ported barrel too. Will that help with the RDS? The micro 9 pistols can be a bit snappy. I understand the Lakeline barrel tames the GX4 quite a bit.

Just need to find a holster that will work with the RDS. Thinking about the Mission First Minimalist holster. Anybody tried one?

Lets see if I can get past my hanging stuff on my pistols aversion. Along with the vision problem that makes dots look like slashes.
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Well, I have decided to upgrade my CC too. Got an optics ready slide for my GX4. Going to top it with a Holosun RDS. Deciding between the HS507K X2 or the HS407K X2. The difference seems to be that the 407K has a 6 moa dot while the 507K has a 2 moa dot with a 32 moa ring around it. I am thinking my old eyes will get along better with the 32 moa ring with the dot turned off. Don’t know yet. Do I save the $70 and get the 407K with the 6moa dot? Sure wish I could look through them both before I ordered. I understand that the Holosun 404 - 507 is among the smallest of the RDS and it’s at a price that will not break the bank. Also thinking about buying the Lakeline LLC ported barrel too. Will that help with the RDS? The micro 9 pistols can be a bit snappy. I understand the Lakeline barrel tames the GX4 quite a bit.

Just need to find a holster that will work with the RDS. Thinking about the Mission First Minimalist holster. Anybody tried one?

Lets see if I can get past my hanging stuff on my pistols aversion. Along with the vision problem that makes dots look like slashes.
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I like the GX4.

I don't think I'd bother making any of these things. I just don't see the advantage.

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lklawson said:
I like the GX4.

I don't think I'd bother making any of these things. I just don't see the advantage.

Peace favor your sword (mobile)
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So you would not mount a RDS?
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