US abandoned plan to track cars near gun shows

Discussion in '2nd Amendment' started by perotter, Jan 29, 2015.

  1. [FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]At least the ATF never approved it. Why does the DEA even think of doing this?

    "WASHINGTON (AP) — The Drug Enforcement Administration abandoned an internal proposal to use surveillance cameras for photographing vehicle license plates near gun shows in the United States to investigate gun-trafficking, the agency's chief said Wednesday.
    DEA Administrator Michelle Leonhart said in a statement that the proposal memorialized in an employee's email was only a suggestion, never authorized by her agency and never put into action. The AP also learned that the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives did not authorize or approve the license plate surveillance plan.
    Automated license plate scanners take pictures of every vehicle that passes their field of view and record the information in a database that can be used to track a vehicle's movements over time.
    Federal, state and local police agencies routinely use the cameras mounted on patrol cruisers or in fixed locations, such as utility poles or busy intersections. Collectively, they capture the movements of millions of vehicles each day. Private companies, including tow truck agencies, also use them.
    The scanners have raised significant privacy concerns even though they generally only record cars and trucks driving on public roads. There are no consistent, national rules that govern how police can use the information, how long it can be saved and how widely the records can be shared with other police agencies.
    The Wall Street Journal reported the DEA's aborted plan in Wednesday's editions."

  2. Rerun

    Rerun Supporting Member

    Don't you believe it.

    With this announcement, the DEA has just dropped their surveillance plans into the Black Ops department.

    This administration wastes nothing that is firearm related.

    Bet on it!


  3. Hahaha, DEA Black Ops. That's a good joke.
  4. Rerun

    Rerun Supporting Member


    ALL Policing Forces have Black Ops!

    Even the Air Force Police.

  5. They're not called Black Ops, they're called SAPs (Special Access Programs), and can only be initiated by the Secretary of the Department that controls the agency (in this case, DHS). And then they need to figure out which kind it is, an ASAP or USAP (acknowledged or unacknowledged). Unacknowledged is quite a bit harder to initiate than an acknowledged one, especially in this case, where the people required to be informed of it (and quash it, namely the chairpersons of the various committees) are almost all Republicans and pro-gun (with the exception of McCain).
    This particular one would be an IN-SAP, or intelligence SAP. That can only be initiated by the DNI. So basically, in order to do what you're suggesting, they would need to get the DNI to create it, then the DHS Secretary to craft it, then the chairperson of each committee (as I said, all Republican and 75% pro-gun) to sign off on it without resistance.
    It would easier to create an ASAP in this case. Which of course are subject to FOIA requirements and can be requested as such, so that alone would deter the creation of that, plus it having a more structured reporting requirement.
    I'm intimately familiar with SAPs; this one wouldn't be worth the effort.
  6. Liberty

    Liberty Shhh! Lifetime Supporter

    You say "required" like you think the government follows the rules. Fast & Furioius, anyone?
  7. Or like that IRS monkey business.

    A person really has to wonder if those running the show have the IQ of a p**s ant. Why would they think or expect J. Q. Public would follow the rules if the gov doesn't?
  8. So make a FOIA request and prove me wrong. :)
    And like I said, intimately familiar; they follow the rules so strictly that I've got more paperwork for that than I do for my taxes for the last eight years combined. It's a bureaucracy's wet dream.
  9. Rerun

    Rerun Supporting Member


    I forgot the republicans took of the House and Senate.

    I am pretty sure they don't remember doing so either, as they aren't acting like they have the controlling hand now...

  10. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member

    You're dead freakin on...... They're acting like a bunch of impotent cowards.
  11. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member


    Peace favor your sword,
  12. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member

    Sorry, was being generous.... More like, ImageUploadedByHi-Point Forum1422891948.932333.jpg